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kaydub
9mo ago
Yes. Copilot sucks. Copilot is like a barely better intellisense/auto-complete, especially when it came out. It was novel and cool back then but it has been vastly surpassed by other tools.
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kaydub
9mo ago
It's not a craft. We're modern day factory workers.
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kaydub
9mo ago
Happy to see someone else doing this. All code written by an LLM is reviewed by an additional LLM. Then I verify that review and get one of the agents to iterate on everything.
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kaydub
9mo ago
Yeah, that's what I pointed out. Just more FUD from devs that think they're artisans.
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kaydub
9mo ago
I don't know anybody except the bleeding edge people (Steve Yegge) or non-engineers that are actually "vibe coding" to this definition.
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9mo ago
The "vibe coding" term is causing a lot of brain rot. Because when I see people that are downplaying LLMs or the people describing their poor experiences it feels like they're trying to "vibe code" but they expect t
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9mo ago
I'm only writing 5-10% of my own code at this point. The AI tools are good, it just seems like people that don't like them expect them to be 100% automatic with no hand holding. Like people in here complaining about how poor the t
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9mo ago
The article and video just feels like another dev poo-pooing LLMs. "vibe coding" didn't really become real until 2025, so how were they vibe coding for 2 years? 2 years ago I couldn't count on an llm to output JSON consi
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9mo ago
1 agent writes the tests, threads the needle. Another agent reviews the tests, finds duplicate code, finds poor testing patterns, looks for tests that are only following the "happy path", ensures logic is actually tested and that
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9mo ago
Once the agent writes your tests, have another agent review them and ask that agent to look for pointless tests, to make sure testing is around more than just the "happy path", etc. etc. Just like anything else in software, you ha
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9mo ago
Ah, see, you're outside of the US. In the US education has been bastardized into "job training" Good workers don't really need to think in this paradigm.
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kaydub
9mo ago
How were you "vibe coding" 2 years ago? There's been such a massive leap in capabilities since claude code came out, which was middle/end of 2025. 2 years ago I MAYBE used an LLM to take unstructured data and give me a j
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9mo ago
High number of days with commits, merging and shipping code consistently (some people/project will ship multiple times a day/week, some projects move a little slower). That plus the completion of high impact projects makes good st
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9mo ago
Why ignore where I mention engineering impact??? Come on, be real here
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kaydub
9mo ago
Your org doesn't track engineering impact? What about git stats? I can tell you the guys that are consistently pushing code AND having the biggest impact are using LLM tools.
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9mo ago
This is one of those places I feel like they're trying to do too much with the LLMs and I think this is one of those places where there's "a bubble". I feel like the LLMs are text tools, so trying to take them out of the
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9mo ago
Why are you guys having LLMs use git at all??? Manage that yourself! If you have hooks throwing errors then feed the error back into the llm.
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9mo ago
Ugh, I just think everyone in these threads are talking past each other. I'm personally not advocating for not having humans in the loop. I don't know of anybody using llm tools or advocating for them that are saying there shouldn
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9mo ago
Those covid years really skewed the market lol
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9mo ago
In the cloud with a micro-service architecture this just makes sense. Expose an API and call it a day, who cares what's behind the API as long as it follows the spec.
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9mo ago
This is probably tongue in cheek, but I literally do this and it works. I've had one llm one-shot a codebase. Then I use another one to review (with a pretty explicit prompt). I take that review and feed it to another agent to refactor
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9mo ago
Not just tests. I run multiple agents in separate sessions. It starts with one agent, building out features or working on a task/bug fix. Once it gets some progress, I spin up another session and have it just review the code. I explici
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9mo ago
I usually have multiple agents up working on a codebase. But it's typically 1 agent building out features and 1 or 2 agents code reviewing, finding code smells, bad architecture, duplicated code, stale/dead code, etc. I'm def
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9mo ago
Usually you want to fix the code that's failing a test. The assumption is that your test is right. That's TDD. Then you write your code to conform to the tests. Otherwise what's the point of the tests if you're just tryi
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9mo ago
I've been using beads for longer term stuff (todo kinda stuff), have you given that a try? I literally just posted in another comment that people shouldn't be worried about killing their current session/context window. I used
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9mo ago
Yeah, it's similar where I'm at. If anything the silver bullet people are mostly managers and C levels... some of which don't even use the tools themselves. Of the devs that rejected it at first, the ones with the same sentim
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What do your rules files look like? I wonder if some people are putting in too much into their markdown files of what NOT to do. I hate people saying the llms are just better auto-correct, but in some ways they're right. I think puttin
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In my projects there's generally a "developer" way to do things and an "llm agent" way to do things. For the llm a lot of linting and build/test tools go into simple scripts that the llm can run and get shortha
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9mo ago
Let me clarify actually, I run separate terminals and the agents are separated. I think claude code cli is the best. But at home I pay per token. I have a google account and I pay for chatgpt. So I often use codex and gemini cli in tandem.
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9mo ago
I haven't seen your issue, but git is actually one of the things I don't have the llm do. When I work on issues I create a new branch off of master, let the llm go to town on it, then I manually commit and push to remote for an MR
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