igouy

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   by igouy 3y ago

   Not obvious to me that it provides the same experience: "The image is a map of the memory after the code was loaded. Unlike in Smalltalk, Factor code is always distributed in files rather than in the image." https://con
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   by igouy 3y ago

   > image and you are updating the image it's a game changer. Also Smalltalk. https://lists.cuis.st/mailman/archives/cuis-dev/2023-August/...
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   by igouy 3y ago

   > In a different universe "Cuis-Smalltalk computes with rational numbers." https://cuis-smalltalk.github.io/TheCuisBook/Writing-your-fi...
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   by igouy 3y ago

   So it's the people not the programming language?
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   by igouy 3y ago

   So tell us what are top 5 and why.
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   by igouy 3y ago

   > doesn't start with a "clean slate" The docs seem to suggest that the user can explicitly decline to save backup files? https://docs.racket-lang.org/drracket/drracket-files.html#(p... Presumably offe
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   by igouy 3y ago

   otoh New York's grid system of numbered streets is an encouragement to wander who knows where with some confidence that you can shortcut and backtrack.
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   by igouy 3y ago

   Depends what you mean by "meaningful".
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   by igouy 3y ago

   1981 "Design Principles Behind Smalltalk" https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/smalltalk....
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    by igouy 3y ago

    > … one of the main ideas of Smalltalk: that everything should be the same thing. No, not that everything should be the same thing. 1981 "Design Principles Behind Smalltalk" https://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans&#x
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    by igouy 3y ago

    So we might guess that the language designers thought there were other benefits.
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    by igouy 3y ago

    I learned OO with Smalltalk. Everything is an object so there's no if-it's-an-object do this but if-it's-not-an-object do that.
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    by igouy 3y ago

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_development_environ...
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    by igouy 3y ago

    > … uncontrolled Smalltalk object soup … All these environments went away for a reason … Free as in beer Java or seat by seat workstation license fees — "the market has judged".
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    by igouy 3y ago

    Although impolite to ask, do you feel that it not working out may have been influenced by the implementation language?
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    by igouy 3y ago

    https://github.com/hpi-swa/trufflesqueak
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    by igouy 3y ago

    > Not a ton of Haskell or SML inspired new languages. "The Rust Reference: Influences" includes SML and Haskell. https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/influences.html
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    by igouy 3y ago

    "Rudolph Technologies Helps Semiconductor Customers Reach Market Faster with Smalltalk-Based ControlWORKS" https://www.cincom.com/pdf/CS050418-1.pdf Someone suggested Smalltalk a million lines long which I ha
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    by igouy 3y ago

    Bosque? https://github.com/microsoft/BosqueLanguage
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    by igouy 3y ago

    Gemstone https://gemtalksystems.com/products/gs64/
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    by igouy 3y ago

    > managed language that could get ahead of Java Here's a different reading: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29323468
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    by igouy 3y ago

    > … benchmarksgame … missing the point "We ask that contributed programs not only give the correct result, but also use the same algorithm to calculate that result." In the vain hope that experts would contribute comparable pro
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    by igouy 3y ago

    Any concerns about prior-work / intellectual property rights? See slide 16: http://esug.org/data/ESUG2004/ESUG2004-RT-Resilient.pdf
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    by igouy 3y ago

    "The GFTC is the license for GraalVM for JDK 21, GraalVM for JDK 17, GraalVM for JDK 20 and later releases. Subject to the conditions of the license, it permits free use for all users – even commercial and production use." &quot
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    by igouy 3y ago

    Is "Smalltalk never went very far in the real world" also based on nothing more concrete than "general vibes." ? "A Shipping Industry Case Study" https://seaside.gemtalksystems.com/docs/O
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    by igouy 3y ago

    That view seems cynical rather than skeptical. Other comments you've made on this topic seem wrong on basic facts? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39145414
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    by igouy 3y ago

    What could possibly be "really representative" of the immense variety of software in-use?
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    by igouy 3y ago

    Why would you think measurements of a tiny tiny number of tiny tiny programs have something definitive to say about the immense variety of software in-use?
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    by igouy 3y ago

    And 6 months ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36706934
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    by igouy 3y ago

    And 6 months ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36706934