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Come reimagine programming with us at Eve (YC S12)
(incidentalcomplexity.com)
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ibdknox
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Come reimagine programming with us at Eve (YC S12)
(incidentalcomplexity.com)
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We're already doing that one :)
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This is really interesting and very cool to see. The approach we're taking with Eve (gory details at [1]) is that you can treat everything as relational and doing so provides lots of benefits. One thing that wasn't clear though, w
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What an aggressive response. :/ Thanks for the indirect pointer on how to correct the issue though. If you hard refresh you can zoom now.
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The cursors were long before we were thinking explicitly of spreadsheets. Our model now has no encapsulating scope, which is just like access to some global object like you're suggesting here.
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Huh. I just opened a brand new download of eclipse and it's at 440mb with no files open. LT is 115 + 50 having been open all week. Did you have some weird plugins installed? Did you create a bunch of Clojure processes and count those?
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Come reimagine programming with us at Eve (YC S12)
(lighttable.com)
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Ah yeah, Eve has a ton of interesting business opportunities around it, everything from on demand computation/hosting (heroku) to collaboration and versioning (github). Consulting or even just building products of our own that are much
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That's fair. I'll get on it.
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Out of curiosity, do you have real numbers there? I'd be quite surprised if it was really hundreds of thousands.
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That is certainly true, though I haven't seen many IDE-based consultancies. In our particular case, that wouldn't have been the right direction - none of us want to be "programming", much less doing it at other people&#x
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Microsoft is an irrational actor: they will sink billions of dollars into VS without regard for direct return in order to secure Windows as a platform. Using them as an example is useless. Moreover, VS is "purchased" almost exclus
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I have stated from the beginning that I'm more than happy to get people more involved. When it has come up before I've said I'd gladly give people commit rights. There are only a couple of people who have contributed with any
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Hey Evan, I have immense respect for your work, but this is surprisingly armchair quarterbackish. > "The competition has millions of man-hours invested". Who cares? On a day-to-day basis I execute maybe 3% of the code paths in
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Just to be clear: this is not Kickstarter funds being redirected. We worked on LT for 2.5 years, we were given 280K (after KS's cut), around 20k went to shirts/fullfillment. That's 260k for 3 guys in SF over 2.5 years... that
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> And, in doing so, he focuses on not needing the guy that knows a particular language That's a pretty narrow way of reading what I was saying. What I meant is the one guy who knows how to program and I just happened to pick Python
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Yeah, I think that's a fair way of thinking about it, especially since we drew a lot of inspiration from Hypercard itself. > but it's very rare for tools alone to lead to a new paradigm I think the distinction is that a tool he
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FWIW, I've mentioned in a few comments below that our first in-road here is just building websites. You can think of it as a replacement for VB6: something a normal person could use to draw out your application and then describe what h
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I was suggesting that it's actually not like labview at all :p The model we have is significantly better than what we ever showed with Light Table. For example, being able to organize "code" by the actual functionality it
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I personally don't have much of a math background, but Jamie does (he went to Cambridge for it). FWIW, Eve is actually very heavily based on mathematics and using first principles there to guide us to a solution that is backed by more
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A lot of our overarching design is based on things they laid out in Out of the Tar Pit :)
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We're doing some clever stuff between constraint layout and relative layout that will make a lot of that concern disappear. We also intend to present this as almost a statemachine, or a storyboard where you see the various states of y
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> If you continue on this path, you will leave behind a trail of half-baked tools, each one a great concept, but none of them actually useful. FWIW, I agree with you. This is our path, though, and the funding and the people we've
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Juno is fantastic and we'll help them do whatever we can with LT.
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It depends on how you use the term "visual programming language", which unfortunately has a lot of baggage around it. It is not sticking lego blocks together like Scratch or LEGO Mindstorms, nor is it the boxes with arrows pointin
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We renamed Aurora to Eve, though it's changed significantly since that video. We found lots of issues with that way of thinking about the world and so worked to find a better model. The name Aurora didn't seem to test very well, b
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As just a plain editor, it's hard to compete with vim/emacs/sublime. The interesting things LT offered were around connecting to running pieces of software and the truth is that we just ran against a wall in what we can do wi
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Our first bastion is websites, you can think of it as filling in the gap that Microsoft left when they killed VB6. 15 or so years ago, someone could open up VB6 draw out a couple of forms and put together a simple "Line of Business&quo
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We're shooting for a big reveal early next year.
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