greggirwin

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by greggirwin 9y ago
Unknown is a nice word for this, yes. And while we don't focus exclusively on being terse in the Redbol world, "unknown" is a lot more work to type than "none", harder to scan visually as well.
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by greggirwin 9y ago
Which Rebol fills this space, R2 or R3? The idea was also not loadable Redbol compatibility (which would be nice of course), but general utility. So Ren adds new types and changes others, where it thinks that is best.
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by greggirwin 9y ago
We can throw out options for a long time, as there is no perfect choice. Ren went with `none` as it is standard Rebol and Rebol's designer thought about it long and hard.
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by greggirwin 9y ago
Some similarities, but different in that EDN has a tagging approach for some types, and a more limited set of literal value formats.
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by greggirwin 9y ago
Apologies for that. A lot were just for fun/future ideas. Many links to existing resources on other formats do work.
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by greggirwin 9y ago
Thanks for the input. The idiograms were found based on the Ren name and meaning, but I'm not a native Chinese speaker, so will defer to those who know, and make things clear.
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by greggirwin 9y ago
What do you suggest? ¤ is really the only other option, but $ seems much more universal, if you can choose only one.
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by greggirwin 9y ago
Not so. From the TOML page: "TOML aims to be a minimal configuration file format." Ren is intended to be a general purpose data exchange format.
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by greggirwin 9y ago
Noted. Thanks.
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by greggirwin 9y ago
Author of the Ren page being discussed here. Didn't expect to see it on HN. :^) The Ren site (ren-data.org) redirects there, is quite old now, and was a playground and experimental area. Hence the empty links and such. In addition to B
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by greggirwin 9y ago
The main one was that having a single language was a win, compared to mixing 6 or 7 of them, and their associated cognitive overhead. Red expands this in both directions, with Red/System as the low level dialect and metaprogramming at
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by greggirwin 9y ago
Still, https://doc.red-lang.org/en/ has some nice docs, and more are in the works.
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by greggirwin 9y ago
Making it prominent will appeal to a different target audience. Rebol is beginner friendly, but dialects (as easy as it makes them) are an advanced topic. We'll try to provide good docs and examples for Red, though, because it is a key
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by greggirwin 9y ago
Red is not dogmatic about objects, but there is certainly a clear line between idiomatic Red and other code, in a more general sense. That is, you can use objects, or not, and write idiomatic Red. It's all in how you use them. They a
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by greggirwin 9y ago
Rebol/Red (a.k.a. Redbol) languages inherit from Lisp, Forth, and Logo, along with Self for the object model. Tcl was not an influence as far as I know. There will certainly be other minor influences, as Sassenrath, Ousterhout, and Cow
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by greggirwin 9y ago
This is certainly how I am sometimes. I will stop to check things, but it breaks the flow. And, as comments here point out, docs are a big issue. What isn't always clear is how much effort they take to create. With a small team, it&#x2
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by greggirwin 9y ago
Indeed, Curl had a number of common goals with Rebol. Good insight.
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by greggirwin 9y ago
Not a full blown reference, by any means, but http://www.red-lang.org/2013/11/041-introducing-parse.html does contain a lot of Red's `parse` details in a short space, which may be helpful.
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by greggirwin 9y ago
Yes, absolutely. Red has a `parse` function, that uses EBNF-like rules, but someone has written a nice regex translator if you need that bit. It's also possible to write a nice AWK-like dialect that handles things at a higher level. I&
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by greggirwin 10y ago
Yeah. It hasn't been pressed much yet, since it's new to a lot of us. Here's something I worked on to learn more about it: https://gist.github.com/greggirwin/38883ca5109175a60896d2f40...
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by greggirwin 10y ago
Got it. Red does manage memory for you, but no GC yet so can't do long-running procs without care. I've written small Red apps that used 800MB, loading a large dataset. Totally stable but, again, maybe wait for GC if you're g
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by greggirwin 10y ago
Red will have GC, but it's not there yet. Soon. Red/System is a C level language, where you have to alloc/free yourself. Why do you think it's pointless to learn without knowing how it handles memory?
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by greggirwin 10y ago
Yup. We often write code like normal programmers, but sometimes we do build up vocabularies more, even when not using `parse` to write DSLs. "Red or REBOL" = Redbol (sounds like Red Bull) :) And where Perl has Mongers, Ruby has Ru
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by greggirwin 10y ago
We, as programmers, will never convince anyone that our preferences are right for everyone else, even when there are strong technical arguments. In this case (pun intended), it's subjective. A lot of it is what we get used to.
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by greggirwin 10y ago
Thanks for the clarification. Still not compatible with Red's licensing model IMO.
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by greggirwin 10y ago
It has an FFI, but no static linking to C libs at this time. Not sure if that will come, but technically it's possible, as Red's linker is written in Red/System. I'm a huge fan of Pieter Hintjens' work, and have wri
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by greggirwin 10y ago
One of the nice things about Red is the low barrier of entry, for experimenting and getting a taste. If you can drop an EXE somewhere, you can run it and try things. If you can run "red -c ..." you can compile and include Red&#x2F
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by greggirwin 10y ago
That is exactly its goal.
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by greggirwin 10y ago
> 1. Any reason for not wanting to target WebAssembly/JavaScript (and in conjunction node.js [I understand that this isn't trivial])? Wasm will likely be the browser target. > 2. Any reason targeting QT isn't on the roa
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by greggirwin 10y ago
Per Nick's comment, above, Red likely won't generate C, because that would add a dependency on a C toolchain. Red is completely self-contained, and would like to stay that way. However, you could write those tight bits in C and pu

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