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by grandalf 9y ago
Not sure why this matters. Due to both publications I decided not to vote for either of the two candidates. It would not have mattered when either piece of information was released, both were enough to convince me that the third party cand
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by grandalf 9y ago
Yet somehow this "integrated state propaganda machine" manages to write better journalism about many issues of concern to the least powerful Americans than the American press. I don't disagree with your characterization, but
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by grandalf 9y ago
Why would you expect a state-funded news agency to dissent from the official positions of its government on key political matters. I'm not looking to RT for useful coverage of issues in the Ukraine, but when it writes about the Flint W
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by grandalf 9y ago
If you read the Wikipedia definition you posted, the first definition is to undermine political power. That means the same thing as changing the status quo. Powerful interests by definition want the status quo to continue because it'
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by grandalf 9y ago
> investigated inside and out for around 25 years Most of that was just politically motivated stuff. The difference is that the trove of emails was not filtered and research discovered the potentially implicating campaign finance stuff w
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by grandalf 9y ago
You left out the dozens of other articles that omitted the details.
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by grandalf 9y ago
> If RT "broke" that officials covered up polluted water in 20 other major US cities, for instance, I'd look elsewhere to confirm that story. Of course, as would I. It is not my understanding that the allegations of disin
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by grandalf 9y ago
> "coming clean" about the emails would have been preferable I'm not suggesting there was anything to come clean about. But there were emails indicating that some of the campaign finance stuff relating to the Clinton Found
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by grandalf 9y ago
I'm asking you to clarify your view by presenting some scenarios that I consider relevant to the analysis of the main issue we are discussing. Your point would be a lot stronger if you are able to convey a consistent world view for ana
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by grandalf 9y ago
> It's that it has no interest in ... the truth Of the major US news media outlets, which do you think care about truth? It is rare for any to publish corrections, and in fact a NYT public editor recently resigned over the paper&#x
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by grandalf 9y ago
> That came totally out of no where. You can't throw around concerns about divisiveness or "sowing destablization" without asserting your view on stories that are true and legitimately concerning. I suppose you think those
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by grandalf 9y ago
> whataboutism Counter-factual scenarios that reveal your opinion to be illogical and cherry-picked for some emotional reason? OK I'm guilty.
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by grandalf 9y ago
Your comment does a good job of summarizing the unique aspects of the 2016 election. But keep in mind that all of the projections based on data collection, historical trends, polling, etc., had Trump suffering a decisive loss up until sever
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by grandalf 9y ago
> an explicit goal of destabilization. Please define the word destabilization. Does that mean changing the status quo? Would the NYT be guilty of destabilization if it published an expose revealing that officials in 20 US cities hid si
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by grandalf 9y ago
> son of the candidate openly admitted to meeting with Russian foreign agents Yet the "dossier" that was paid for via a quid pro quo arrangement is not of concern? IMHO both are very concerning. > pen testing on voting inf
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by grandalf 9y ago
> malice involved Then why not mention that in the announcement? The problem is that Twitter is not pointing to any specific content that it is willing to admit was harmful. Doing that would give us too clear a glimpse into the ideologi
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by grandalf 9y ago
> RT is quite clearly seen by the Russian government as a useful propaganda tool, and not a news outlet that would ever challenge the current Russian government's malfeasance. Well I don't think we're likely to see the NYT
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by grandalf 9y ago
NYT, CNN, etc. all use viral clickbait strategies. Using such strategies, one needs to "seed" the content on social media. Ads are an easy way to do this. An increasing number of people get their news from social media, making t
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by grandalf 9y ago
Please name five honest journalism organizations.
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> Twitter is headquartered in the United States So you expect companies to have jingoistic political allegiance to the jurisdiction that they happen to have been founded in? That is actually quite scary. > strongly believes that Russ
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by grandalf 9y ago
What is concerning is that Twitter controls a massive platform and has revealed itself to be heavily biased and intent upon ideological control of the content that exists on its platform. My statement is simply my opinion, I am not controll
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by grandalf 9y ago
Twitter can control the algorithm indirectly through selective banning of sock puppet or spam accounts, since many exist that help create virality for many different agendas. For years now Twitter has allowed a lot of shady accounts to be c
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by grandalf 9y ago
I am reluctant to use a buzzword like "fake news" when I have been reading Chomsky's detailed critiques of American newspapers for a long time and have been (for a long time) well aware of the significant political and corpor
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by grandalf 9y ago
OK, so your point is that RT's coverage was germane?
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Now that Twitter has an algorithmic feed, perhaps content that is from banned advertisers gets penalized in the algorithm. It's all very shady and disappointing.
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by grandalf 9y ago
> propaganda What is the propaganda you are referring to? You seem to assume all of RT's content is propaganda but can't name or link to any stories that qualify. Lol.
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by grandalf 9y ago
It is embarrassingly similar. Pointing at foreigners as the bogeyman to blame for things is a very tried and true technique. Nobody in this discussion has pointed to any specific stories run by the RT that are problematic. They all just b
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by grandalf 9y ago
> to pollute dialog on political matters. Please explain where the "pollution" occurred. Over the past few years I have read RT from time to time and most of the stories were simply about negative aspects of American life tha
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by grandalf 9y ago
Seriously, this is where Twitter's hypocrisy reaches its pinnacle. The US "news" media is a combination of war propaganda and "living in countries other than the US sucks" propaganda.
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by grandalf 9y ago
So RT publishes articles about things like the Flint Michigan water crisis and the many government failures that led to it. You are telling me that this story and the great reporting about issues like this that the RT has published are horr

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