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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
Part of some half-arsed rescue attempt. Solar City doesn't have much life left to it on its own and it needs some creative accounting to stay afloat.
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
The whole Solar City/Tesla crossover I can see in a way, when you've proved the technology and are making some profit from it. Tesla and Solar City are a long, long, long way from doing that and the Solar City takeover is a way of
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
There will be a call to cut whatever costs they can, which won't get far, and then there will be layoffs.
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
It's a bit late now. When your company is basically one research and development project you need to cut all costs down to specifically those that's going to provide you with a product you can sell, and then keep iterating over un
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
OpenJDK either didn't exist or was in its infancy. Also, Oracle created a lot of confusion in that they tried to argue that even Apache Harmony was in violation. Also, there were a lot of third party drivers and software they couldn&#x
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
The OP certainly did answer your questions and since you asked the questions you did you probably already know the answers ;-).
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
Seriously?
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
It was pretty obvious Oracle wanted it to go there because they hadn't the faintest idea how things actually worked. Oracle could then apply legal pressure and handwaving.
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
When you look at Android and then look at previous phones with Java and apps on them it's hard to argue it isn't transformative. The difference between SavaJe and Android is night and day.
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
Nope. You're arguing nonsense here.
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
Nope, they aren't, or at the very least, the difference between them is as to be indistinguishable. That's what the jury decided here. Using API and the word 'copied' in the same sentence simply doesn't mean anythin
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
Ahhhh, yes, the 'giving exposure' argument.
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
I'm presenting reality I'm afraid. It is going to have be be very clear and something that can be ruled on in a short space of time. There is no way you can argue at all that anything clear has been missed here, or argue in clear
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
Where the GPL is concerned the distinction between linking when code has been compiled and the API itself is very clear. Code is copyrightable, but headers and interfaces do not make something else a derivative work. Stallman agrees on this
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
Nope. Not sure where you're getting that from.
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
I often wondered why Google didn't. Simply owning Java alone and heading off this inevitable nonsense would have been enough reason. This kind of legal stuff is really the only way Sun were going to make money from Java. Heaven knows,
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
Funny how he mentions a rigged trial, which is exactly what the Supreme Court ruling was. However, they declined to hear again which could effectively mean "You got your copyrighted APIs, now fuck off". Mueller is so discredited h
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
Yer, it was absolutely hilarious. They had to get a tech guy in to open Java files on a computer. They didn't have an IDE installed on there and there were complaints that there were too many folders!
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
It's not, but Oracle had got themselves into a bind over the definition of 'interoperability'. They did indeed argue that Google hadn't copied enough, in so many words. The trouble is that interoperability takes many for
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
The only thing they would need to rule on is whether a particular fact was weighted properly by the jury. Good luck with that here.
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
Of course. They all want to get paid, and that's really what this is about from Oracle's perspective.
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
This is irrelevant. There was a ridiculous notion going around a while back that if Oracle lost then the GPL would become unenforceable. The GPL does not depend on copyrightable APIs, and says nothing about what Oracle is trying to argue. L
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
Thanks. Quite apart from 'Java' having been open sourced, Schwartz also got up and told everyone this was all OK. Oracle really did face an uphill battle with that since it's nigh on impossible to take back.
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
It is as ridiculous as it sounds. There is simply no case at all where API use cannot be sensibly argued as fair use. That's why you use an API in the first place........ What privileges would such a copyright provide? In practice? N
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
That's going to get messy. Very messy. It has to be crystal clear really for that to happen, but all you'd end up with is more debate on what parts have greater weight.
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
Fair point. I'm reminded why I don't get too familiar with US law in these cases. Starting from "Are APIs copyrightable" all over again? Great......... More legal fees, court time and nonsense.
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
Oracle tried to argue that, with seemingly limited success. Bringing up SavaJe didn't help them. It clearly wasn't equivalent to Android in any way.
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
They can appeal, but it is going to be very hard for them to get any revenue out of this court action now. That's what this would have been - revenue.
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
It wasn't even really a case (like say, Samba) where copying was necessary to interoperate with a closed, proprietary system. Samba never copied anything. The interoperability argument was simple. Google wanted to use a language that
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by farcical_tinpot 10y ago
I look back on Visual Basic with a mixture of trepidation and fondness. If you were a programmer who had experience of building well structured applications in C++, Python etc. then you could get a lot of stuff done and built on Windows. If

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