edanm

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by edanm 2y ago
I don't think we're disagreeing about any facts here, only framing. I wrote: >> > They are definitely not genocidal... You responded: > I'll just direct you to the Hamas Charter (pdf) But I was specifically talkin
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by edanm 2y ago
OK. What would it look like if Israel just wanted to remove Hamas from power in Gaza without wanting to remove Palestinians from Gaza? Just to remove doubt - I'm genuinely asking. One thing I don't feel I've ever gotten a rea
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by edanm 2y ago
> Israel is actively doing most of the points above against an effectively unarmed and blockaded group of people. US was fighting against actual armies whichever their quality. You are just factually wrong on many of your points. It&#x27
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by edanm 2y ago
No, I still disagree, on a few points: 1) The official position of most Arab countries is aiming for a 2 state solution, iirc. The Palestinian Authority - which is the effective government of the West Bank Palestinians, and the official rep
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by edanm 2y ago
> There were quite a few statements by key people in the current Israeli government that demonstrate clear intent for genocide. There were a few statements, mostly made very early in the war, most of them ambiguous. These are horrible, b
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by edanm 2y ago
Again, I'm not a Palestinian-Israeli. I'm sure some share that attitude, but considering that many have families that are "on the other side of the border", I think there's quite a few that do want one unified cou
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by edanm 2y ago
Thank you, and for what it's worth, I didn't think you were being intentionally misleading (just came out misleading in the phrasing).
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by edanm 2y ago
I think it's fairly clear that given this definition (which is the same one I always reference), Israel isn't committing a genocide. If you do think Israel is committing a genocide, I think one thing you have to do is demonstrate
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by edanm 2y ago
> As for the Nazi origins of the pro-Palestinian movement, it starts in the 1920s with al-Husseini, the mufti of Jerusalem, who hated Jews so much he met with Hitler to discuss solutions to his own "Jewish Problem". This is why
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by edanm 2y ago
> How come the current semi-popular opinion on HN happens to be pro-censorship, when HN community is against censorship in every other situation? The answer to most questions like this is: there are many different users on HN. You might
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by edanm 2y ago
I agree with most of your comment, but I'll push back on a couple of things: > No, the Israeli government does not want a ceasefire, neither a permanent one, nor a temporary one. All the things you wrote before that are things that
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by edanm 2y ago
> Israel reporting (not just Haaretz) reported huge, multiple, protests (it was at night there, early afternoon EST) due to Israel rejecting a cease fire. Correcting you on this - the protests were not because Israel "rejected a c
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by edanm 2y ago
Many Israelis speak Arabic. Some Israeli Jews, and probably ~all Palestinian-Israelis (20% of the Israeli citizenry).
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by edanm 2y ago
Actually, as far as I understand it, most have historically preferred not to engage with the Israeli political system for ideological reasons. This is changing somewhat over the last few years. Though I'm not a member of that group, so
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by edanm 2y ago
Note: The correct word is "Israeli", not "Israelo". > It's of note that while there about 20% muslims in Israel, there's about zero jewish person in Gaza (there are some israelo-palestinian though) and zero
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by edanm 2y ago
That's an absurd definition. It also fits the kind typical HN/high-tech mold of underappreciating most people and professions. What makes you think think that your definition of "surrogate activity" is an interesting dis
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by edanm 2y ago
Calling people "the chimp troupe" with "3 inch brains" is not a good way to communicate your ideas. For sure not to the people you're calling chimps, but also not to anyone else except people who both agree with y
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by edanm 2y ago
Interesting. Though this is from two years ago, I imagine it would seem different today. In some sense the fact that so many don't vote is a kind of solidarity with other Palestinians, though I think a misguided one.
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by edanm 2y ago
> It's based on my reading from various people who were there and who have commented on the process afterwards. There is a massive gap between how this is discussed in the American popular media and how it's discussed among exp
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by edanm 2y ago
Just to add a note here - historically, Palestinian citizens of Israel (commonly referred to as Israeli-Arabs) have had complicated feelings about taking part in Israeli elections. I don't think I can speak properly on this topic as I&
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by edanm 2y ago
> That's not the case. That's the "common wisdom" in the US, but it's not the dominant view among experts, and it's just objectively false. Can you provide backup for this? > If you read through the passa
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by edanm 2y ago
I think you're framing the history of the peace accords in a way that is very unfair to Israel. Many people have opined over the years on the negotiations between Israel and Palestine, and while it's certainly not one-sided, I thi
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by edanm 2y ago
I agree. I think 90% of the people using that slogan (or taking part in the protests in general, come to think of it) have very little actual understanding of the conflict, the history, or what anything means. I don't think they should
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by edanm 2y ago
> but apparently there's a very insecure person out there right now who is vindictively flagging nearly all of my recent posts -- including the one just above your, just now. I'm sorry that that's happening to you, lookin
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by edanm 2y ago
I apologize, I wasn't trying to be offensive or hurtful, I was just reaching for an example and phrased it poorly and thoughtlessly. (I'll also edit my comment.) > And I think I'd prefer not to pursue this line of discussi
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by edanm 2y ago
Edit: I removed language that, on reflection (after it being pointed out by my co-partner in this discussion), I shouldn't have used. > There were mitigating factors, to be sure. But it sounds like, to a first-order approximation, w
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by edanm 3y ago
Eh. I've been hearing of this "general trend" for 15 years. I'm pretty sure if you look at HN in 2010, you'd find plenty of people speaking of the decline of Google search results and how they spell the downfall of
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by edanm 3y ago
> How does this square with the Nation-State Law, which states that the former group has precisely zero rights to "self-determination"? I highly dislike the Nation-State law. That said, its effect in practice is almost nothing,
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by edanm 3y ago
Resolution 181 was the UN looking at a complicated situation that had arisen, an area that contained two different people who wanted to build a homeland there, and trying to figure out how to deal with it. It was accepted by the Jews, just
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by edanm 3y ago
I mean, the vibe might be shifting. But if you're thinking it began to shift only a year and a half ago, I think that's why you might feel you're out of whack with other people here. The case against universities, against hig

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