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discostrings
13y ago
I don't see where the lines are blurred. If you're referring to what you expressed here[1], I'm not convinced. The story is very clear about the source of the information at the beginning of the article, and it then follows t
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discostrings
13y ago
I agree that whether or not the NSA can pull records from these companies without the companies meaningfully reviewing each request is a very important detail. "But the Prism program renders that consent unnecessary, as it allows the a
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discostrings
13y ago
That link is to a ridiculous "story". See my responses in the main thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5876943 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5877115
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discostrings
13y ago
So true. That's one of the most dangerous aspects of conducting this type of thing in the dark.
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discostrings
13y ago
If they have have acted properly, why should that stop them? It's hard to lie effectively when you don't know how much of the truth is known.
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discostrings
13y ago
I really doubt Snowden's interpretation of the slide had much to do with the article revealing Prism. The article content is seemingly based only on the 41-slide presentation itself, not the claims of its source.
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discostrings
13y ago
It's important to remember that there are many companies involved here. PalTalk's direct access could be a begrudgingly set up teletype of live chat transcripts while Apple could have provided a VPN connection and a root password.
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discostrings
13y ago
The original story is a report about the "direct access" claim from the NSA. People seem to have interpreted the article as claiming as fact that the NSA had a root password to all the companies' servers, but that's not
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discostrings
13y ago
>A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth gets its pants on. This story made it 1/3rd up the front page; stories based on the most extreme possible interpretation of what seems to be Greenwald's own extreme interpre
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discostrings
13y ago
That's true--the Prism program really could have the positive effect of making recruiting harder. That's definitely the most sensible argument I've heard for it. It's interesting that the program being useful in that way
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13y ago
I agree--most Americans have probably been going about their lives and not paying too much attention to this so far. But I think this issue is going to be in news cycles for quite a while. The more news cycles, the more likely people will s
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13y ago
http://www.people-press.org/files/2013/06/6-10-13-4.png
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discostrings
13y ago
That's a summary of the Washington Post story and what was changed. It looks like the Washington Post reporting of this was a disaster. Not only did they initially publish language that was more sweeping than the Guardian, but they had
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discostrings
13y ago
> Is the law itself actually secret? I thought someone linked to Section 702 straight off of the GPO website on one of the other stories. In this context, "secret law" means that the executive branch refuses to share their inte
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discostrings
13y ago
>Furthermore, doesn't this make the task of detecting or hunting non-state aggressors that much harder now that they know all electronic transmissions are recorded (and thus forcing them into an electronic darkness where they can&#x
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discostrings
13y ago
The short answer is law. But even with a good system, it seems very difficult to maintain. In the U.S., the idea was that its founding legal document, the Constitution, would put some very strict limits on the power of government. Thus, the
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discostrings
13y ago
No--my points stand even on the basis of just the phone record collection. The questions about Prism just add more to potentially be worried about.
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discostrings
13y ago
The government is a privileged actor that can do many harmful things to a person that a company cannot. The government has a monopoly on coercion, and it claims the sole right to deprive you of life, liberty, and property. For these powers
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13y ago
> I'd be more interested in a study that asked people if they knew what they were actually outraged about. To list a few reasons people are outraged: -Surveillance has been revealed that seems to far exceed what is authorized by the
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discostrings
14y ago
It isn't just a Gingerbread phenomenon, but Gingerbread is one of the most obvious examples of the phenomenon. It looks like half of all "active" Android devices are running Gingerbread or earlier [1], and many of those devices will never h
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discostrings
14y ago
I think fpgeek was referring to the Gingerbread browser and making sure web sites are compatible with it, not application development.
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discostrings
14y ago
Planet M.U.L.E. is still around--at least as of a week or two ago! I haven't played in a while, but I check the site everyone once in a while to see if there's any news and whether people are still playing. Here's a cached version of the si
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discostrings
14y ago
"In the United States there is an analogous situation which is that of the 'high speed pursuit.' In the pursuit situation the officers have strong reason to believe the driver of a vehicle was involved in a crime and seek to arrest them. Th
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discostrings
14y ago
I also arranged a 10th anniversary party and I had no swag to give out. Two weeks later, a box of 15 or so anniversary shirts showed up. I tracked a few attendees down, but most of the shirts remain in a box that follows me around as I move