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declan
13y ago
Correct. This is the same kind of very narrow denial that we saw under the Bush-era warrantless wiretapping programs as well. There are multiple programs.
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13y ago
The members of this committee, House Intelligence, generally knew what the NSA was doing in this area. (There are more secretive intelligence programs that are briefed only to the so-called Gang of Eight, a select group of House and Senate
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13y ago
This is commonplace in other business situations as well, including law firms. Partners at many large law firms can make $1.5M a year in profits (not salaries, because they're part-owners). You need to bring in far more than that to co
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13y ago
Or worse yet, "cannot" as in authorized by a secret interpretation of that legislation blessed by a secret court...
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13y ago
Take a look at the definition of "U.S. person." If she's here in the country legally, she would be a U.S. person, I recall.
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13y ago
The Verizon FISA court order would be the evidence. I suppose that the groups filing this petition (and likely to litigate eventually) would claim that Americans can be substantively affected in terms of 4A and privacy harms even in the abs
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13y ago
As the author of the article, I'm generally accused of being too cynical, so it's a delight to see an accusation from the other side. I generally agree with you on one point, at least. If you believe the NSA is "more than wil
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13y ago
I wouldn't call a statement four days later without a response an "exchange," though I suppose some people might.
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13y ago
The NYT reported in 2009 that an analyst was disciplined for snooping through former President Clinton's email (or attempting to).
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13y ago
Nadler switched to talking about "listen[ing] to the phone," which is FAA 702, not 215. 215 is only for stored records and has not been used, as far as I can remember, for content. (BTW the exchange was with Mueller, not Clapper.)
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13y ago
You make a good point. There are a few different aspects worth separating here: - First, oddly, we don't know what the law allows. The Obama administration's secret interpretation of FAA 702 and secret rulings they obtained from t
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13y ago
Not "refuted." Nadler says he was reassured by the administration, but has refused to say by whom, or whether the reassurance was legally binding. Here's the transcript, so judge for yourself (remember warrants would only be
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13y ago
No... Collect has a very specific meaning to the NSA. Collect means when data have "been received for use by an employee of a DoD intelligence [that is, NSA] component in the course of his official duties" http://atsdio
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13y ago
Here's EFF and EPIC's parsing of the technical qualifiers (they found a lot of weasel words): http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589672-38/snowden-nsa-sn...
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13y ago
Unfortunately the truth appears to be somewhat different. See: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589672-38/snowden-nsa-sn... EFF's position (from the CNET article): "The evidence shows that the NSA seeks a
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Snowden: NSA snoops on U.S. phone calls without warrants
(news.cnet.com)
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Body scanner ruling could squelch NSA domestic spying
(news.cnet.com)
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13y ago
Nadler's statement this weekend is consistent with his statement last week. He's happy that the Obama administration is now saying (where? to whom? who said it? is this legally binding?) that they will obtain a specific warrant.
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13y ago
As you say, "without legal authorization" is a very large qualifier. So is "a single analyst." Gen. Hayden and the NYT's original 2005 report indicated the permission of two analysts -- a junior analyst and a "
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13y ago
True!
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U.S. surveillance architecture includes collection of Internet, phone metadata
(washingtonpost.com)
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13y ago
And even more evidence that would take too long to summarize. <tptacek> is correct here.
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Hey! That's me! (I've covered this beat at CNET for 11 years and at Wired and Time and Wired a second time before that for about 5 years. It's not the EFF's side I'd argue, but I'm flattered that you think so.)
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This is a very important point. NSA's definitions do not track common English usage.
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I've had my differences with <tptacek> in the past -- I think polite disagreements over policy -- but he is quite correct here in what he says about Google.
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NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants
(news.cnet.com)
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I've read all of them. I've written about them. They're categorical.
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FYI more details are here: http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589461-38/facebook-micro...
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Correct. This is an artifact of DOJ/NSA demands for secrecy, nothing more.
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13y ago
I'm surprised that Microsoft's own statistics released about an hour ago haven't made their way to the HN front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5883894
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