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3y ago
Note that Signal only uses push notifications to wake the app up. Then it directly connects to the Signal service to receive messages.
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Signal
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3y ago
Maybe read the papers then?
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oh wow, so will E2EE apply to Instagram too? or just Messenger? Edit: nvm just read the last paragraph of the post
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Android developer docs and the whitepapers linked in this post
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Enabling E2EE has historically required usability tradeoffs (no multi-device, no backups, chat transcripts are stored on device only, etc). It took them this long to make it seamless.
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3y ago
well, first, which one? and second, somewhere in your Android or iOS keystore
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The whitepapers: Messaging: https://engineering.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/Messen... Labyrinth E2EE storage: https://engineering.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12&#x
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I know the argument is somewhat moot because they're all closed source. But with WhatsApp and Apple shipping key transparency, this isn't necessarily true anymore. You can verify that the keys that were given to your contacts are
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E2EE won't be disable-able
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What? That's exactly what this is.
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Anonymity isn't necessary. e.g. Briar isn't anonymous (you still need to trust your contacts), but it's essentially impossible for third-parties to track who is talking to who and when.
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Briar gets most of the way. And Cwtch gets all the way (except maybe the pay the people working on it). Any sort of project that actively tries to minimize data collection will not be profitable. At least not in this current economic system
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Usually yes, but check out their Labyrinth implementation which might mean the answer for most features is no.
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3y ago
I imagine somewhere in the planning stages is complying with DSA by adopting MLS and allowing interoperability between WhatsApp and FB/Insta Messenger and other services.
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Building end-to-end security for Messenger
(engineering.fb.com)
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Apps can still do what they want in the content of the notification. This includes encrypting the content however they'd like. By default, though, apps don't encrypt the content. And the metadata (what appleID is receiving notific
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TKey Signature tool released – Tillitis
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after learning about how conservative Toyota is in general, their interest in hydrogen seems blown out of proportion solely because every other manufacture was so quick to move to electric. Toyota is still in the "figure out what works
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Signal availability issues on 2023-11-27
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Signal's design for usernames and phone number privacy means they won't know Also, dissidents aren't the only (and definitely not the primary) intended users for Signal
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I'm honestly interested in what your solution for private communication is that will also get mass adoption among hundreds of millions of users. (And it's definitely not running your own XMPP server and getting everyone to switch
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I understand that. Signal has put in a lot of work since I started using it fulltime and is much more reliable now than it was just 2-4 years ago. The only time I've had issues now is when I'm backpacking in areas with spotty conn
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Because peer-to-peer messaging is not a solved issue. People want asynchronous conversations and not have to expose their location to everyone they talk to. There are other platforms that are working on federated e2ee services (it's no
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The only issue I'm aware of is that The Signal Protocol is only really defined in Signal's GPL'd code. So it's almost impossible to write a clean room implementation (e.g. Wire tried and ultimately failed. they ended u
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I'm always intrigued by people that have this POV. Security and privacy are not binary for fucks sake. Improvement on the status quo is great and Signal improves a hell of a lot. Not to mention that half of your comment is non-issues.
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They are peer-to-peer by default between people in their contacts list. That is for when calling someone that isn't in your contacts list or for people that have enabled the relay all calls option.
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It's in testing now; you'll soon have to switch to complaining about some other thing. Anyway, considering usernames required an extensive redesign of how Signal works, it's not surprising it took 5 years (3 years of full tim
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They cover this pretty substantially in the post on Signal's website (I know they merged the Wired article into this one). Signal is trying to compete with the richest companies in the world; including for talent. And considering Sign
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almost, usernames and phone number privacy are in testing now
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