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bztzt
14y ago
I agree 100% that the idea of Metro style apps with their severe limitations (on multitasking and otherwise) replacing desktop apps is a bad joke. However, I don't really interpret them as replacements, but just as another model with its ow
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14y ago
That was the original design (seen in the first public preview).
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14y ago
? If I want to start Google Chrome, I can open the start menu, type "go" or "ch", wait half a second to see that it's the first result, and hit return. To do this from the terminal I need to switch to a terminal, know the name of the execut
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bztzt
14y ago
What is "Metro"? Server 2012 does use the new start menu, if you want to call that "Metro"
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14y ago
Ha, I wasn't aware of that. Still an extra step.
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14y ago
"I have no idea why removing the Start menu is a good idea." Because it wasn't removed, it was changed and given a new presentation. The alternative would have been to have two redundant start menus.
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14y ago
Those rumors are BS, nothing is being blocked. The basis for them seems to be that they have removed implementation code for the Windows 7 start menu that was left in earlier Windows 8 builds. Third parties can still write their own start m
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14y ago
I prefer the start screen to desktop shortcuts because, since it’s really a popup menu of sorts, you can bring it up and (single-)click to open up a window on top of your existing window configuration without disturbing that. With desktop s
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14y ago
BTW, what's caused me more confusion than any of this is Cancel vs. the third option: "hit Back button on browser/phone / Close button on dialog"
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14y ago
Well, to steal a riff from Steve Jobs, milliseconds per day * days over years of use * tens/hundreds of millions of users (if you're designing the conventions for a big platform) = years or lifetimes. I'm just not convinced by the reasonin
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14y ago
I suspect most (moderately) experienced people see the OK/Cancel pattern as a unit and don't scan the whole thing before deciding and clicking.
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14y ago
Yes, you can use Windows Explorer in the desktop.
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14y ago
Oh, I wouldn't consider Metro style apps as any kind of replacement for desktop apps or most professional tools. I've been running Windows 8 for a while now, but to me on desktops or larger screened laptops they are just fancy gadgets that
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14y ago
That's exactly what the motivation for the "Metro/WinRT" strategy for Windows 8 was in the first place, though - to get more developers writing directly for (new versions of) Windows rather than relying on third-party (or even first-party)
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14y ago
I really think it's just that Metro/WinRT is the new thing, they're always going to be trumpeting the new features of the new release as if they're the only thing anyone should care about, that's unfortunately a Microsoft habit. The desktop
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14y ago
Or ever, IMO. It will be like C++ vs. C#.
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14y ago
A strictly less strict model implies ≤ security (someone might try to argue there are some paradoxical cases where it's >).
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14y ago
If you don't like the app's tile you can unpin it - personally I like having some variety to my start screen. It would be pretty hard to enforce a lot of visual uniformity considering that live tiles are meant to surface content, including
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14y ago
Windows 8 was planned as a consumer-focused release from the start of the project, due to the expectation that businesses wouldn't be ready for a new version after just moving to 7 anyway. They really aren't counting on widespread enterpris
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14y ago
I can definitely see some benefits of keeping the taskbar/panel on screen, but I think they were primarily motivated by the belief that designing the interface around apps being fullscreen would be more attractive to developers. The bottom
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14y ago
Putting it in Settings is a bit odd, but I would point out that the whole first three and a half sentences of those instructions become one quick continuous motion once you've done it a few times. (It's more like "swing the mouse pointer ar
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They wanted to reduce the prevalence of lines, borders, etc. in the UI, so they needed another way to distinguish the menu items from other text.
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14y ago
They're there to distinguish the menus from their surroundings, since they want to avoid using lines etc. to do that.
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14y ago
It's not like they're going to go around encouraging businesses not to migrate, but from the start the thinking was that after just moving to W7 they wouldn't want to migrate anyway, that there was little short-term threat from desktop comp
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FWIW, getting (any sizable % of) businesses to migrate was an explicit non-goal of the Windows 8 project from the beginning.
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"I remember reading about Win8 and how its going to integrated with Kinect and how OEMs like Lenovo were already building "Kinect lites" that could fit in a laptop. I wonder what happened to that." afaik this was all rumors, nothing was eve
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14y ago
I always figured it was a pun on COM.
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15y ago
I think they've recently decided that promoting .NET for its own sake, or even making money on dev tools, isn't a particularly strong goal of theirs and the tools business should have a primarily subordinate role supporting their platforms