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by bpt3 11mo ago
Yes, yet estimates are still made. The author of the article didn't use some highly formal definition of estimation, didn't imply one, and seems to be focused on devops (not software development) as a practitioner. Estimates are d
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by bpt3 11mo ago
You think the pharmaceutical industry just gives a bunch of resources to chemists, says "godspeed", and waits around for the chemists to report back at their convenience? In my limited exposure to the industry, that's not how
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by bpt3 11mo ago
Effectively free distribution is what makes the cost of non-novel software so low. Compilation isn't even needed for executables that can be used as is. That said, implementation is one part of developing software. Design and test are
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by bpt3 11mo ago
You replied to me in like 10 different places, nearly all of which are in responses to posts that weren't directed at you, so I'm trying not to fragment this discussion too much. I will ask this here: If you are shipping code to p
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by bpt3 11mo ago
It's not possible to do what you're describing (kanban/XP) for any commercial application or open source project that is intended to be taken remotely seriously without some amount of estimating involved. I saw elsewhere that
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by bpt3 11mo ago
Yes, people keep linking to the agile manifesto as if it's some sort of amulet protecting software developers from any sort of accountability or responsibility for their work product in a professional setting. It seems like you acknowl
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by bpt3 11mo ago
Take a look at the top of this thread and see what we're talking about. The fact that people in many industries are not good at estimating doesn't mean that it's impossible in software development specifically and uniquely, a
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by bpt3 11mo ago
How do you do either of the following without spending any time at all on estimates? "Deliver working software frequently, from a couple of weeks to a couple of months, with a preference to the shorter timescale." "At regular
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by bpt3 11mo ago
Okay, a scenario where you're building a hobby project alone and you don't care if or when it gets finished would be one where estimates aren't needed. There is no scenario where it's appropriate or necessary when develo
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by bpt3 11mo ago
"Deliver working software frequently, from a couple of weeks to a couple of months, with a preference to the shorter timescale." "Working software is the primary measure of progress." "At regular intervals, the team
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by bpt3 11mo ago
Yes, that's my point. There's way more uncertainty in trying to bring a new drug to market or build a new bridge than creating yet another CRUD app, yet somehow they are any able to break these efforts into tasks that can be estim
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by bpt3 11mo ago
1. When you have meaningful software that can build itself (and I'm not talking about the compilation process), let me know. 2. You can estimate the duration of each step of a process, regardless of how much human involvement is requir
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by bpt3 11mo ago
Agreed, but the parent poster said that estimates shouldn't be done at all, which is not a legitimate argument to make in any scenario.
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by bpt3 11mo ago
If software developers want to be then seriously as a profession, they need to be able to provide and justify estimates for their work. Everything you said could apply to a new bridge, building, pharmaceutical compound, or anything else tha
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by bpt3 11mo ago
The solution you described is basically agile, and that definitely includes estimates and deadlines.
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by bpt3 11mo ago
> I don't know how to explain any better that, if given the choice, I would simply not do what I do for the company for which I do it. Full stop. You have many choices, but it sounds like none of them would be a better choice than c
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by bpt3 11mo ago
Your scenario is the equivalent of Ayn Rand books for the lazy and entitled. What's the point of inventing a non-existent situation where you're obviously correct, other than self-gratification?
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by bpt3 11mo ago
My point is that they're related. People who take pride in their work generally do better work and make more money. People who don't take pride in their work and often try to see how little work they can get away with while still
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by bpt3 11mo ago
There's no vibes here buddy. You ran the usual leftist playbook of bobbing and weaving around the list of atrocities combined with a round or two of no true Scotsman. You skipped the attempts to change the subject with some whataboutis
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by bpt3 11mo ago
You mentioned one, which is North Korea, and I'm sure you're going to concoct some story to deflect the fact that China only began moving towards any semblance of prosperity after ditching Mao's fundamentally flawed economic
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by bpt3 11mo ago
No, I absolutely read the thread. You either are just refusing to accept you're wrong, you have an exceptionally incomplete definition of farmer you refuse to share (which is really just a specific form of wrong that seems likely in th
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by bpt3 11mo ago
No, it's recognizing you have no better alternative so you shouldn't take what you do have for granted, because it's not guaranteed to continue.
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by bpt3 11mo ago
And in my humble opinion, you will continue to be dissatisfied and somehow it's everyone's fault but your own.
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by bpt3 11mo ago
If an employer offers an employee $100 per hour, and the next best offer that employee can obtain elsewhere is $90 for an otherwise equivalent job, should the employee take that job for granted? Is the employer exploiting them with their pa
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by bpt3 11mo ago
The vast majority of people significantly overestimate their worth, yet people with your attitude seem to believe it only exists with respect to highly compensated employees. I agree with your second sentence, but it's harder than it s
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by bpt3 11mo ago
That depends on the value of your generated production, among many other things, and ultimately isn't the right question to ask. Can an employee obtain better employment terms elsewhere (which is a complex concept to define in itself)?
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by bpt3 11mo ago
Great retort, I actually laughed out loud. I don't know how delusional you have to be to look at the conditions behind the Iron Curtain, where nations had to build walls to keep their citizens from leaving and a meaningful number of pe
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by bpt3 11mo ago
> farming was insanely lucrative during that time That is wildly inaccurate. Do you think people were flocking to cities to flee the "insanely lucrative" jobs they already had? Farm labor paid significantly less than industrial
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by bpt3 11mo ago
And again, someone comes and makes a comment that proves my point. Unless you are working in very unusual (and illegal in the developed world) circumstances, you are not being exploited in any real sense.
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by bpt3 11mo ago
If you can't find a better job, you should probably appreciate the one you have and not try to skate by with the bare minimum, if for no other reason than you're likely to miscalculate at some point.

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