bayesian_horse

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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
If the African or Latin American country has a good diplomatic standing, I'd consider such a request even more likely, because the tensions don't run as high. But it is difficult to imagine such a monumentally case of stupidity fr
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
Erdogan isn't a minority in his country. And we don't care if he is offended or not. However, there are millions of Turks in Germany, and we should care if they feel offended.
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
The important thing here is not that the law is legitimate, but rather that it is from an era when manners and respect where more important than extremer notions of free speech. It hasn't been a problem, because normally, nations which
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
The government has a moral obligation to consider the request and saying "we don't consent" does not satisfy the obligation. Another important consideration is that exercising the right to deny the prosecution would have take
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
Because 1) there is a special law against defamation of a foreign nation's representatives and 2) there is no specific exception written into any applicable law, but courts have consistently ruled this way because of freedom of speech
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
Are they really unable to speak their minds or are they simply unwilling to face harsh criticism of their opinions and beliefs? Freedom of speech doesn't mean other people are not allowed to criticize you. And if your opinions are inte
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
You can actually insult political leaders all day long. Unlike less known persons, which can sue for defamation. There was even a case in Germany where someone argued for the assassination of a Politician, a clear crime, in other words, and
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
It's an insult people from Greece or Turkey hear a lot more often, and many of them seem to perceive it as a racial slur. Just like you wouldn't be offended by racial slurs not referring to your particular race.
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
These are completely different cases. Cameron acted wisely, Erdogan acted stupidly. Cameron was "insulted" by a whole slew of people that way, considering all the attention the topic got. Erdogan has a single target to go after, l
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
When a law requires a government to give permission, it is implied that the decision is not arbitrary, but rather the result of a conscious effort to honor that law. Requiring permission to prosecute doesn't mean the government can do
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
The US values freedom of expression over defamation and even over the safety of minorities from consequences of hate speech. The deliberation between these freedoms is a matter of the political culture of a society. In Germany the opinion i
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
Rule of Law and independence of the judiciary are also important European values. Which are also under attack in Hungary and Poland. Germany would have forfeited the high ground in those issues if the government interfered with a prosecutio
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
"She" (in fact it is her government and not "she" alone) doesn't appease Turkey but rather honors German law.
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
"F ng goats" is not an insult against Muslims, but rather something that offends a lot of people from goat-rich countries around the mediterranean, even Greece.
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
Which is why they are being changed. Though I still see no value in allowing people to call other people "goat f *rs" for sake of a political argument.
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
You obsess over singular persons having power to do something. But in reality, Merkel is not at all free to decide this issue. For that matter, the government as a whole is not free to decide this issue, regardless where "the buck&quot
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
I tried without "triple negation". Doesn't work as well. There is a moral obligation for the government to honor that law, but that in turn doesn't mean they have to give permission or that they don't have permissio
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
Actually, laws against defamation and insults are very old. And this particular incident falls clearly under the category of pure insults. Even with a strong taste of racial slur ("goat ..."). The only reasons we are debating this
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
The government may have the right to stop a complaint regarding this law, but that doesn't mean that there is no moral obligation for the government to not stand in the way of law. She's not deflecting blame. For one thing, it&#x2
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
It's a pity that most people don't understand the finer point s of the decision, like that it is only a "permission" to conduct investigations, and that the responsibility for anything else will be in the hands of a cour
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by bayesian_horse 11y ago
I can actually understand the impulse to keep this quiet. Lack of trust in Aid missions or Peace Keeping missions is already hurting a lot of people.