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alganet
1y ago
An AI company doing it is the corporate equivalent of "works on my machine". Can you give us an example of a company not involved in AI research that does it?
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alganet
1y ago
I can divide the suggestions into two categories: 1. Stuff that W3C already researched and defined 20 years ago to make the web better. Acessibility, semantic simple HTML that works with no JS, standard formats. All the stuff most companies
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alganet
1y ago
It's already built. It's just not that impressive. We need to completely own it and remove the control these shady companies have over it. Karpathy says nothing changed in 70 years of software. Something very important did: free s
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alganet
1y ago
I'm not confident you would be able to recognize a valid source if you saw it, and I'm not confident you understand what I claimed. Let me sum up this: Rich text OT, first appeared in Google Wave, and eventually became the technol
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alganet
1y ago
Let me be clear about what I think: I have zero fear of an AI apocalypse. I think the fear is part of the scam. The danger I see is related to psychological effects caused by humans using LLMs on other humans. And I don't think that&#x
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alganet
1y ago
> imagine changing it and programming the computer's life > imagine that the inputs for the car are on the bottom, and they're going through the software stack to produce the steering and acceleration > imagine inspecting
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alganet
1y ago
> they are not sharing specific details of their success stories or failures Can you blame them for that? For other products, do you think people contact customer support with an abundance of information? Now, consider what these LLM pro
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alganet
1y ago
I provided enough information, including the Google Wave team _explicitly_ citing the feature on Google Docs before it was launched. This is way more than an assumption. If you have any doubts about it, feel free to contact Google.
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alganet
1y ago
Of course not. I don't like boilerplate code _at all_. I worked with Java for a couple of years. Lots of boilerplate required. The IDE handled them just fine. I never felt I needed something smarter in order to write verbose stuff. My
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alganet
1y ago
You say spreadsheet software replace programmer. I say spreadsheet software replace paper. That's the disagreement. You have intuition, I have sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spreadsheet#Paper_spreadsheets
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alganet
1y ago
We're not getting anywhere with your answer. All tools I mentioned before were useful for programming. They didn't got worse. Still not enough to keep them relevant over time. I chose those tools as an example precisely because, f
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alganet
1y ago
> People are not usually being too specific about what they were trying to do. The same goes for a lot of programming discussion of course. In programming, I already have a very good tool to follow specific steps: _the programming langua
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alganet
1y ago
The following section of the Wave whitepaper suggests that the chat app aspect was minor to the project. It was all about solving collaborative rich text editing: > Waves are hosted XML documents that allow seamless and low latency concu
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alganet
1y ago
Most of my time as a programmer is not spent typing.
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alganet
1y ago
grug hears microservice shaman talk about smol api but then grug see single database, shared queue, microservice smol but depend on huge central piece, big nest of complexity demon waiting to mock grug
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alganet
1y ago
Their results support this. The study has three groups: LLM users, Search Engine users and Brain only. In terms of connections made, Brain Only beats Search User, Search User beats LLM User. So, yes. If those measured connections mean somet
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alganet
1y ago
> a DSL requires not only the investment of build and design the language and tooling itself Not necessarily true. There are two kinds of DSLs: external and internal. An external DSL has its own tooling, parser, etc. The nix language, fo
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alganet
1y ago
> everything that is today a spreadsheet was a program some programmer had to write That is incorrect, sir. First, because many problems were designed to fit into spreadsheets (human systems designed around a convenient tool). It is much
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alganet
1y ago
Good, but not exactly what I expected for "easily fixed". It includes a lot of steps and constant human evaluation between them, which implies that decisions about tone are ultimately made by whoever is prompting the LLM, not the
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alganet
1y ago
> easily fixed with good prompting Can you give us an example of a typical translation question and the "good prompting" required to make the LLM consider tone?
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alganet
1y ago
I too have all sorts of secret stuff that I wouldn't share. I'm not asking for that. Isolating and reproducing example behavior is different from sharing your whole work. > It would have been familiar enough to an ML engineer,
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alganet
1y ago
I can see it being useful for summarization, or creative writing. What makes you so sure that LLMs will be useful _for programming_ in the long run?
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alganet
1y ago
> and now with far greater reach and speed than ever before I heard that before. Borland Delphi, Microsoft FrontPage, Macromedia Flash and so on. I learned how in 5 years or so, these new technologies would dominate everything. Then I le
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alganet
1y ago
> We do know how to make and use tools It's the same principle. A tool is supposed to assist us, not the other way around. An LLM, "AGI magic" or not, is supposed to write for me. It's a tool that writes for me. If I
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alganet
1y ago
Yes. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operational_transformation https://web.archive.org/web/20090531063923/http://www.wavepr... https://drive.googleblog.com/2010
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alganet
1y ago
> their biggest failure was simply not continuing development Wave was a technology demonstration that eventually became Google Docs collaborative editing. In my books, that's a major success.
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alganet
1y ago
Meet the 2000s web developer culture: Not hackers, we just want to build stuff. Easy to learn technologies and practices. No elites. You don't need to be Johnny Mnemonic or Neo. The kid playing soccer or the girl writing poems could be
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1y ago
Documentation and automated tests belong together. It makes tests better. Instead of a shady snippet of code that just passes an assertion, it should generate human readable examples with additional prose included by the developer for speci
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alganet
1y ago
> I don't agree that you can pick one cherry example Benchmarks and evaluations are made of cherry picked examples. What makes my example invalid, and benchmark prompts valid? (it's a rethorical question, you don't need to
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alganet
1y ago
What I expect from a human is to ask "in which language?", because it makes a difference. If no language was supplied, I expect a brief summary of null coalescing and shorthand ternary options with useful examples in the most popu
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