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_djo_
4y ago
That’s not evidence. That’s just your opinion, based on your assumption that private aircraft are like private cars under the law. Except that they have never been treated equivalently in any legal venue or government regulation.
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_djo_
4y ago
Might’ve been one of his other aircraft, or more likely he allowed it to lapse. PIA is something you have to keep updating/requesting to remain part of.
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_djo_
4y ago
This claim keeps being made, but Musk’s aircraft is fully visible in the FAA registry data and doesn’t have an obfuscated ICAO hex code. It wasn’t part of the PIA programme, which is also not something endorsed by the ICAO but only used by
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_djo_
4y ago
There is no PII in these transmissions. You clearly have no idea what this actually is or how it works, you’re just looking for reasons to defend Musk. Bizarrely. > you're just trolling. That's not how the GDPR works, you don&
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_djo_
4y ago
Again, this is public data and nobody has been able to successfully make a case that aircraft movements are cases of indirect PII in terms of the GDPR.
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_djo_
4y ago
Nope. As previously stated many times in this and the other discussions, the aircraft is not part of PIA and the accurate hex code is reported on the FAA site. ElonJet didn’t tweet anything on the day this incident occurred, so that part is
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_djo_
4y ago
As has been repeated often, aircraft movement information is public. None of this represents tracking his or his family's real time location, because: a) We can't tell which aircraft he is on from that data. b) He can use other ai
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_djo_
4y ago
Given that you can view the accurate ICAO hex address for his aircraft on registry.faa.gov, it's clear that he's not part of the PIA programme. ElonJet didn't do anything other than automate an API feed from ADSB Exchange, wh
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_djo_
4y ago
Please provide some evidence of your repeated claim that they're illegal in the US and Europe.
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_djo_
4y ago
GDPR does not apply to the movements of aircraft, not even private jets. Somehow getting, storing, and sharing passenger manifests would constitute PII of the sort that falls under GDPR.
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_djo_
4y ago
Musk (or one of his associates, I forget which) has in the past posted pictures online of him walking to and from his aircraft with the registration clearly visible. It's not something he even tried to hide. It's almost never diff
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_djo_
4y ago
That's false. Musk's jet is not enrolled in PIA, which is just a programme that obfuscates the ADS-B identifier from the FAA's registry. Spotters can still find the aircraft. However as I said it's not true in this case,
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_djo_
4y ago
Yes, some empathy for those going through difficult personal times is healthy. But when people allow their problems to harm others, we must by necessity become harder on them, try to establish protective boundaries, and hold them to account
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_djo_
4y ago
In Western countries, in peacetime, and in regular shared airspace, yes. They broadcast on ADS-B and are visible on flight tracking websites too. ADSB Exchange even has a ‘military’ filter to focus on them.
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_djo_
4y ago
Doesn’t need one. Even with SLAPP laws he can make life difficult enough for these sites, none of which are huge with substantial resources, to force many or most to give up and create a serious chilling effect.
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_djo_
4y ago
In that case you can just camp outside it and wait for his plane to land, which a determined stalker would do.
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_djo_
4y ago
Aircraft IDs are used for type lookups and uniqueness. Callsigns are already in the signal and must be the registration for anything other than commercial or military flights, as they're registered and there's a process for alloca
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_djo_
4y ago
If you own an aircraft as an individual then your actual name must be listed.
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_djo_
4y ago
The aircraft's type is not part of ADS-B Out data, it has to be looked up in a database using the hex code. This has implications for aircraft separation, as heavier aircraft produce more turbulence that can be harmful to smaller aircr
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_djo_
4y ago
I expect he will sue those next, forcing them out of business and taking away an extremely useful tool for both general interest and holding people, companies, and countries accountable.
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4y ago
Every measure like that introduces safety risk into the critical air traffic control system by increasing the odds of data inconsistencies and other things going wrong. I don't believe it's worth it just to preserve the privacy of
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4y ago
Show me how publicly available satellite imagery could offer anywhere close to the same level of tracking that is federally mandated and available for aircraft, and I might take that argument more seriously. This account wasn't even &#
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_djo_
4y ago
His aircraft is not in the PIA programme. Which renders his complaints somewhat hollow.
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_djo_
4y ago
No, it's broadcasting the movements of a set of aircraft , using publicly available data. There is no information about who is on board those aircraft. Nobody has any right to privacy regarding the flight movements of their aircraft,
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_djo_
4y ago
There’s no filtering on non-commercial aggregators like PlanePlotter either. This data is freely emitted annd anyone with a dirt cheap receiver can receive and upload it.
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_djo_
4y ago
Then he’d be enforcing this for all such accounts that post aircraft movements using flight tracking data, right? But he isn’t.
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4y ago
Notably, as best as I can tell none of the other automated aircraft tracking bot accounts have been suspended. Just this one.
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4y ago
The Federal Aviation Administration publishes this data openly. So, no. https://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Search/NNumberResul...
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_djo_
4y ago
There is plenty of surrounding context here, you're just choosing to selectively ignore it.
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_djo_
4y ago
I said people like Musk, don't try to dictate the terms of a discussion. And there's more than enough evidence of him doing just that. [0] [0] https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-right-wing-extremi...
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