Ygg2

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by Ygg2 7mo ago
> That is exactly why the term "object-oriented" was originally coined for Smalltalk. Sure but your definition doesn't cover it. If language for which the term was coined, it's a bit meaningless, ain't it. Proble
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
> The primary common ground is that their functions have encapsulation You omitted Smalltalk. Most people would agree that SmallTalk is object-oriented. But that kinda ruins the common ground thesis. > Language evolves, certainly. It
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
I think the issue is OOP patterns are one part missing features, one part trying to find common ground for Java, Modula, C++, SmallTalk, that it ends up too broad. A much saner definition is looking at how languages evolved and how term is
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
> Plenty of OOP architectures can be implemented 1:1 Plenty of OOP architecture can be implemented in C. That's an extremely flawed and fuzzy definition. But we've been through this before.
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
That's disingenous, Rust tries to minimize errors, first at compile time then at runtime, even if it at some discomfort of to programer. Zig goes for simplicity while removing a few footguns. It's more oriented towards programmer
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
Scala had an unnatural dependency on Java, not JVM. I.e., imitating not just some patterns but copying its flawed interfaces. For example, Scala could express and bypass decades of cruft in the Java Collections API. Did it choose to do it?
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
@ - @ jackrabbit
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
Doubt Rust will ever get to implicit hell of Scala 2. If for anything, Rust isn't married to C as Scala is to Java.
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
> This may be too much advanced type theory for a useful language. Maybe but: - Move fixes Pin - Linear types, prevent memory leaks - potentially effects simplify so many things Each of these functionalities unlock capabilities people ha
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
Sure, either of them qualifies. I was just pointing out that Delphi (and C, and VB) aren't really widely used in GUI toolkits anymore. It's not just the difficulty. It's the lack of learning materials, widgets, examples, and
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
There is a difference between being in business and thriving. I've been in a few companies that managed to eke out a living by maintaining a piece of software no one in their sane mind would still maintain. Sometimes a government gig,
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
What's the alternative for cross-platform GUIs? Qt? Swing? Avalonia? Electron is bad, but it's the least bad of all other cross-platform GUIs. > Most of those Electron folks would not manage to even write C applications on an A
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
> React was an instant hit because it had the facebook brand behind it and everyone was tired of angular. Ok, but why was everyone tired of Angular? Sure, web frameworks are examples of Fad Driven Development to the extreme, but Angular.
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
Sure, but Trump was not campaigning on that; if anything he campaigned on being the most peaceful president. Hitler didn't campaign on honoring treaty of Versallies, and avoiding war with neighbors.
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
Fair point but auto traits are already leaky. And they were created to minimize writing down what auto traits your types implemented. You can filter by them, but they are assumed automatic bounds. And interestingly enough Zig doesn't h
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Umberto Eco is a great writer, but whenever his list of ways to describe Blackshirts comes up, it fails. First, it's very fuzzy. You don't have to have all aspects, but many as
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
Ok, but what are the hallmarks of a fascist state?
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
Sure, I see ultranationalism. And if I squint, I can see that a huge chunk of the US population is pro-Trump, but that's not culty overall. You can still speak against him, as far as I can tell. Compare this to, say, Mao Zedong. If you
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
> AI might not be good, but it’s at least as good as 90% of them and it works 24x7 Sure. It's cheaper - now. Might not continue being that cheap. What prevents Anthropic from jacking up prices once the field is consolidated. Plus, y
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
> It's a perfect word to describe what's happening I don't think it really fits, but the US is sliding towards illiberal democracy.
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
Which OS? This is talk about cross-platform GUI toolkit. My point was, "Why X language sucks at cross-platform GUI" is because X isn't JavaScript or TypeScript, and it's not backed by the huge corpo that is Google. >
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
I'm keen on you explaining this part: > And yes accessibility and localisation were already a thing in _Windows 3.x_, Mac, OS/2 (emphasis mine) Because it's the one I used of the things listed, and from my memorie
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
For someone using a GUI toolkit, there is a massive difference between "invent and integrate your own" and "it comes pre-installed". I'm saying the reason modern cross platform GUIs are hard is that the developer an
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
Sure. Show me how Windows 3.* supported Unicode, i18n (internationalisation), l10n (localisation), a11y (accessibility), with special focus on CLDR plural rules. Which will be interesting since Unicode 1.0 came around 1991. And CLDR in 2003
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
I'm talking about accessibility and localization as part of a GUI toolkit. Take localization. Any doofus with CSV and regex can localize a binary. How do you localize dynamic things like "Hi (Sir) PJMLP, you have (0 unread message
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
If it wasn't obvious from my ramble, Rust concerns are pragmatic, not absolutist. The only absolutism is that for memory safety to be truly upheld, you can't half-ass it (Zig) or ignore it (C). Some properties are like that.
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
> The entire point is that being so absolutist is silly. You're misinterpreting what Rust people are telling you. - Rust is safe lang - Nah, C is safe if you're good - Rust evangelical gestures towards billions or CVEs brought
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
Say what you want but for modern UI localization and accessibility are part of minimum feature set. Those two massively increase complexity (UTF8, IME, Braile, Text to speech, etc.) The big issue I'm talking about is cross OS UI Toolki
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
Sure. It was a simpler time. Web didn't make massive regression in UI, it made minimum feature set huge.
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by Ygg2 7mo ago
Fixed since 1.22.0 You're only proving unsafe Rust is tricky. Even for experienced maintenaners.

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