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2mo ago
> The OP seemed to imply that the LLM itself could decide to apply the exploit. This was and remains the main real risk with AI - this is what "alignment" was about before it was co-opted to mean "obeying specific instru
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True Soft Power - Hollywood, and associated media industry, which happens to be the platform through which "Russian ballet, Japanese manga, k-pop", etc. reach people. With the Internet and some competing heavy-weights, it may no l
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2mo ago
It's a problem on so many levels. We've probably lost the fight over GenAI marks, at least for now, and I do understand the need for them. However the same technology that can embed an invisible watermark that survives a round of
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2mo ago
> mis categorized a Print Screen screenshot as AI generated Maybe. Question is, was that a false positive, or merely a bad user-facing message? Assuming you didn't have any AI-generated images caught in the screenshot (e.g. some a
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And the first thing webdevs did once this became widely available, is change their apps to cache-bust their code; between that, and the short release periods in webshit ecosystem in general, and security and privacy considerations messing u
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2mo ago
Before AI came, the doubling rate of workers in our industry was about two years. Even if it slowed down significantly in the last 3 years, that just means the average programmer quality moved from "fresh grad" to "establishe
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Sure you can. Code vibed with a SOTA model is better than mean programmer output, has been for at least a good year now.
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2mo ago
I feel that too, but the practical reality is, many services happily exploit the leverage they have over me - I need them more than they need me. Banks are the canonical example - changing one is a huge hurdle, with consequences that can dr
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2mo ago
Honestly, if I were to dig, then for my generation[0], I'd blame save and close popups more, but even more than that, flaky component-based software. At some point in the Windows 98/NT and then 2000/XP era, you'd often s
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2mo ago
Trained by the many more prompts that are irrelevant in practice, and merely stand between a person and the task they're trying to accomplish. It's not like computers give people a good reason to read the error popups. 90% of them
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2mo ago
Yeah, few moments ago it hit me there could be a market for a phone case with in-built camera(s) that photograph your screen at a shallow angle on demand, and transform that into a screenshot automatically. However, my idea happens to hit a
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2mo ago
LLMs aren't a database. They're an attempt at brute-forcing an artificial mind. The who and what aren't really interesting there, it'll forget most of such details anyway. What matters is the patterns visible in the text
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2mo ago
> On what? One of the most horribly run airlines to ever exist? On real life data on operations of a real large company. Internally, most big companies are probably just as big of a mess, if not worse. But you can't get that data
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2mo ago
> I made the counter argument that watermarks would find their ways into everything and eventually be bound to attestation. Yup. Elsewhere in another front page thread today: "oh but apps blocking screenshots because of 'sens
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2mo ago
One person's "sensitive input" is another's "key information". Follow state is a useful bit of information. There's argument to be made for both hiding and preserving it.
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2mo ago
What if the app doesn't allow pasting? What if the communications app prevents copying? For a short while, screenshots were a workaround for blocked copy-paste[0], as OCR (and, more recently, edge-deployed vision-enabled language model
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2mo ago
> “Security” that makes ordinary sharing unusable is often just UX debt wearing a security badge. Very true. > The right fix is selective redaction, not disabling screenshots everywhere. That's still a partial fix, though. It
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2mo ago
Yes, but in a big way, denying capabilities to LLMs is denying the capability for people to exercise the rights they have. LLMs are user agent tools.
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It could. But the root problem is, there is no such thing as unqualified "sensitive information". The information is sensitive to someone , for some reason . The problem with screenshots manifests when the app and the user disag
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2mo ago
> Hijacking the screenshot process is a privilege that you ought to be able to revoke, it's insane to allow software to be given more control. It should not exist as a control in the first place. I know it may sound absolutist, bu
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Banks have managed to externalize the costs of their own security onto people by inventing the concept of "identity theft", and pinning the blame for poor security practices on regular people. They really shouldn't be allowed
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2mo ago
> especially if the bank might be partially at fault if a scam happens That's the crux. Yes, it is unreasonable, because scams have proven to be just as effective at getting people to just read the details out over the phone line,
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2mo ago
Well, I did, after the fact, but it's only because I had a work phone on me (that doesn't yet actively block sharing to non-work devices). I doubt most people have a second phone on hand, ready and able to capture actual screen
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Major reason I don't use password managers that much. > Do you use the same password on every site? I use a password I can reconstruct in memory for sites I care about logging in by hand. If I don't, or don't mind resett
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Would they care? They probably support proper export for business accounts. Business customers have leverage. Regular people? They're an annoying but necessary nuisance.
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Yes. And because of the platforms deciding to enable that business model, we're now in a bullshit reality where the very apps that need to be screenshotted most often, are first to abuse platform features and prevent screenshots from b
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> I’m not sure why the app needs to be notified. There must be some use but I can’t think of it off the top of my head. My pet theory: it's because Snapchat got big early, platforms added the feature to facilitate Snapchat's
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2mo ago
Unfortunately there's platform-level features for marking surfaces as sensitive/secure. So your dev would typically just mark the whole app as such, and be proud of their proactive problem solving.
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> Imagine if a password manager didn't allow you to copy the password since you might accidentally paste it somewhere incorrect. ... have you heard of passkeys ? Yes, it's as stupid as it sounds. And works about as well.
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2mo ago
Often, you don't, because the same developers of the bank app decided it's an unnecessary power user feature that doesn't fit in the MVP or something. Or, even if they add it, there's no way to save the file, only to &
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