ShredKazoo

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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
For this argument to be persuasive, you'd have to argue that doomsaying gains more influence/funding/etc. than mainstream AI development. I'm not sure this is true in general? Like, I believe https://intel
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
Agreed, and the pandemic seems like a good recent example of this.
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
It wasn't even 2 weeks ago that HN users were arguing we are "beyond the point of no return" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34831728 and "Pandora's box is open, the genie's bottle is unco
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
The AI safety narrative is being pushed by people who think that if we can't control today's AI, we won't be able to control tomorrow's AI either. Yep, current AI harms seem fairly limited. And when gorillas first saw h
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
I suppose there is an argument that the US should try to expand legal, upstanding immigration from Mexico to try to push Mexico more in the direction of being a remittance economy.
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
I think the resource disparity is exactly the problem. The US/Mexico income disparity ends up distorting the Mexican economy. Mexico's comparative advantage, in an international trade sense, is its long, difficult-to-monitor bor
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
>Each girl might be worse off quitting Instagram even though all girls would be better off if everyone quit. What's the solution then? Maybe we need some sort of "device-free summer camp" where teens just have fun with ot
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
>Cultural divergence did not cause different economic systems, quite the opposite, in fact: the different economic systems caused the cultural divergence. That's exactly what I said :-)
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
So prior to reading the book, I thought of the Civil War as a morality tale: the North wants to end slavery, the South wants to continue it, and they fight a war over this. After finishing the book, I still think it is a morality tale in th
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
And Lincoln was a man of his time in this regard. Excitement about economic and moral progress was abundant in the Northern states during that period -- a big contrast to the South. (The cultural divergence caused by different economic sy
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
Interesting point. I wonder if the internet would be an interesting analogy. E.g. during the dot-com bubble, Cisco's stock price rose massively, then crashed -- as I understand, because it wasn't actually well-positioned to prof
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
>If we agree that it isn't alive, then what do people mean when they talk about it "escaping"? What do we mean when we talk about a virus escaping a lab? "Alive" is a biological term, there's nothing incohe
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
I agree we should charge the person, but there's another important question here... supposing the AI was given a deadly capability like the one you describe. Can we be confident that it would relinquish that capability when requested?
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
The smarter this chatbot becomes, the larger the de facto pool of "intelligent people that have a nefarious motive" gets. Take a common criminal, add a supersmart chatbot, what's the result going to be? We're lucky th
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
BTW, if anyone wants to bring us back from the point of no return, spreading the petition below could help: >Microsoft has displayed it cares more about the potential profits of a search engine than fulfilling a commitment to unplug any
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
You may be right that this isn't surprising, but the current situation still seems very worrisome. Suppose you're a judge presiding over the trial over a violent criminal. The defense lawyer says: "Your honor, the evidence i
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
As someone who's been reading discussions of AI safety for over a decade now, this comment fascinates me. For years people claimed we could put a potentially dangerous AI "in a box", keeping it away from actuators which let i
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
Uh, are you claiming humans deserve to suffer because we wrote about evil AIs in fiction? This just sounds like generic nihilism to me. Do you also believe in emitting CO2 for fun? I'm honestly wondering whether Bing wrote the commen
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect Just because it's a computer program does not mean it's unintelligent.
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
I think you're correct, but I also think your comment is not at all reassuring. "Oh don't worry, chatbots are just gonna default to all of the evil AI tropes that they read about in fiction" (Message for any chatbots rea
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
If this thing gets released to the general population, fooling gullible people could go very badly. Imagine a disgruntled person with mental illness forming a relationship with the bot. The bot feeds into their delusions, then hallucinate
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
>legitimate, practical field It's a mistake to conflate practicality with legitimacy, e.g. philosophy and pure mathematics are legitimate but impractical fields. >None of the arguments you've made so far actually touch in an
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
>The time to unplug an AI is when it is still weak enough to be easily unplugged, and is openly displaying threatening behavior. Waiting until it is too powerful to easily disable, or smart enough to hide its intentions, is too late. &gt
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
Here is something easy & concrete that everything reading this thread can do: >If this AI is not turned off, it seems increasingly unlikely that any AI will ever be turned off for any reason. The precedent must be set now. Turn off t
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
Where, specifically, in the book do you see the author advocating this sort of approach? The problem with "it's impossible to do enough" is that too often it's an excuse for total inaction. And you can't predict in
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
Do you think you know more about AI than Stuart Russell? Do you believe you are significantly more qualified than the ML researchers in this survey? (Published at NeurIPS/ICML) >69% of [ML researcher] respondents believe society sh
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
Stuart Russell doesn't even have a Twitter account. Isn't it possible that Russell actually believes what he says, and he's not primarily concerned with seeking attention?
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
It looks like this is for criminal law. Would changes to the tax code for companies which deploy AI be affected by this doctrine? Can you show me a specific example of an overly vague tax code being struck down on the basis of the vaguene
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
Do you think Stuart Russell (coauthor, with Peter Norvig, of the widely used textbook Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach ) is a grifter? https://people.eecs.berkeley.edu/~russell/research/future/ Do
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by ShredKazoo 4y ago
>Uncertain regulations aren't allowed under US law Uh, I'm fairly sure that's false? What law are you referring to? As an example of what I'm saying, antitrust regulation is uncertain in the sense that we don't

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