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FractalLP
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FractalLP
8y ago
Glad to know others exist that just want a basic device that will last a week without charging without massive bloat and apps I don't care about.
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Sorry, but I didn't catch your example. Can you explain a little more? What does Perl do better there?
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Perl6 is mostly complete. Even though it has been getting significant weekly performance improvements (they have a weekly summary of these things), it still has a long way to go. It has a lot of really cool things such as simple to use conc
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That is one thing I like better in Python than in Perl. In Perl, I was having difficulty with nested data structures and then realized this was something I did in Python daily without even knowing it was a thing on a conscious level. Who ha
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I've used Python for years and a little Perl. CPAN works pretty well when used with ActiveState...not sure about Unix. Python on Windows stinks when using Pip and there is some VisualStudio C++ library dependency you need and they don&
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8y ago
I think they rewrote in C++ after buying viaweb. I could be wrong though.
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8y ago
Now that you say that i think both Allegro and Lispworks both have that...neat!
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I've never heard of Prolog alongside SCADA. Can you be more specific? Like in a plant or what?
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8y ago
Mini-kanren?
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Where do you work? Sounds neat!!
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Venus is like Hell though right? Super hot, acid, high pressures? I guess still click-baity though?
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8y ago
Agreed. HackerNews has a greater than average amount of developers that use Haskell, F#, OCaml, Scheme, and other languages which heavily promote recursion. I'm not sure if I personally find iteration easier because I learned it first,
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Thanks for the synopsis as I don't see a lot of information on the Lispworks and Allegro sites.
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These things all exist, but a lot of them seem like a library from one author as opposed to what is built-in to Java or .NET and had lots of people and money thrown at it. I'm sure the author is a wizard, but how good can the quality b
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Ah thanks! I recall you work for one of the commercial lisp vendors. I assume you use their IDE environment that is similar to emacs? How do you describe using it?
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Yea, I was talking about GNU Emacs + Slime. I'm with y'all that Lisp is an extremely powerful and frankly astonishing piece of engineering. It just seems to cater more to those on the fringes and those willing to put in the work t
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Yea, it's much easier to enter a matrix on a modern Casio than the HP calcs and requires fewer keystrokes I believe. I guess navigation of the indices takes up time on the Casio, but it is so intuitive.
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Voyage-200 on the TI side was great. A TI-89 with more RAM and horizontal full qwerty keyboard. A monster size wise, but I loved that thing.
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I'm thinking about purchasing one of these, glad to hear they're well liked.
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Fair enough argument here, although you could probably still argue that it is easier to setup most of those languages than use emacs. That's a non-starter for a lot of devs who aren't open to the long-term benefits.
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Once again, you quote isolated incidents when I'm talking about the entire programming industry. I never said it wouldn't work for some people. It might have been Tarver talking about the Lisp curse. Lisp is so powerful that every
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I'll definitely take a look at that, thank you!
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My point is simply that niche languages are harder to hire for and find a job in. Most people aren't okay with that. There is a feedback loop here as less people use it and less libraries are written. That doesn't mean the languag
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How many times have you written a metacircular evaluator in production? How many people code just fine without knowing Maxwell's Laws of Software as one popular blog post describes? Peter Norvig's review on Amazon agrees with you,
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I mean the 1/2 page code was basically a built in dictionary in Python...I felt it was a step backwards. And this is someone who was very open to Lisp...I still think it has value...just a steep learning curve.
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You quoted two companies using Lisp when there are millions of Java devs. That's like a boxer with a record of 1-500. I love Lisp, but c'mon...I guarantee it has far more hobby users than professional users. ABCL, FRANZ, ALLEGRO,
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And it will still look less beneficial than a standard comp Sci degree unfortunately. The only good part is that the school is pretty prestigious, so not as bad. Hopefully we don't have another AI winter.
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Probably because Arc is an incomplete hobby project of Paul Graham that will never be finished now and has only a tiny following of a few people. Yes it runs this site, but not much else. Clojure isn't very easy to learn and I found th
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I'd say several reasons: 1.) a lot of folks have trouble with the abstactness 2.) a lot of folks think C syntax is how all languages should be 3.) the lisp ecosystem is fractured into too many lisps like SBCL, Clojure, Racket, Allegro,
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http://lisp-lang.org/success/
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