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by 15155 4mo ago
This is nothing a few felony indictments can't fix.
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Cryptography export restrictions absolutely worked until the internet became commonplace, and then they became futile and were removed. Just like every other export restriction on technology: once the actual cat is out of the actual bag, th
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> Except that they are. Did you read the E.O., or just Huffpo's interpretation? > ITAR This is more likely to fall under EAR, it's important to be aware-of and learn the difference. > placed on an arbitrary "approved
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> So why would open models that are not in the US be restricted ? Nobody said they would be? > subpoena each model that was in the US individually What does this even mean? Where did 'subpoenas' come into this conversation a
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> don't necessarily need to be hosted on hugging face. Export restrictions don't split generally hairs on technicalities like "hosting" - the "but magnet links aren't actually torrents!" defense doesn&#
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Is this concept of "LLM tainted" enumerated in a statute or potentially borne out of actual case law somewhere?
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I'm sure cooky old Martin Niemöller just dreamt that poem up out of nowhere and his time spent in in Dachau had nothing to do with it.
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> I did not bring in Godwin Who is the "They" in "First They Came" referring to exactly? > There are claims that Chinese companies are mining + reselling Claude subscriptions like crazy anyway. Which will become a
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Seems to work for every other export-controlled good and service.
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> If it's the same equivalent then my issue is just that, it feels like trying to restrict the useage of RSA because it could be used by bad actors. RSA was practically impossible to control (an implementation is what, 100 lines in
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> I'm referring to OpenAI and Antropic - would they be successfull with ~40-50% of their potential market? You presume that every single product they sell will be restricted: this is unrealistic. The rest of the world can have the g
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Ah, invoking Godwin. "First they came" in 1976 when ITAR was first passed, or maybe "first they came" in the 1940s when we didn't export Proximity Fuzes, right? Countries are free to prevent exports of technology. E
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Can you cite any examples of a US citizen being sanctioned for importing foreign technology (not exporting)? Please don't cite anything OFAC-related, it does not apply here.
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Except it isn't zero-sum thinking: the rest of the world can have the scraps, and as long as the scraps are marginally better than the rest of the world's offerings, they will sell.
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> Would American tech companies be as successfull without ~half their revenues? Good luck with "if you don't let us use your AI technology, we wont allow iPhones in" - go for it.
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Citizens were and are free to use the technology (cryptography and every other export-controlled item); your "power bill is suspicious, go to jail" FUD doesn't really track with history. > Any company providing the models
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> Laws in the UK are passed quickly Is that a feature or a bug?
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"Freedom of commerce" doesn't mean "unchecked globalism" - there are plenty of dual-use items that only friendly countries or citizens can obtain (and within those categories, there aren't any further restricti
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The overwhelming majority of export-controlled items are made by private corporations: the US government itself makes exceedingly little in comparison. The missiles Raytheon makes are export-controlled too, and they're not somehow &quo
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> AI firms are abiding by this peacefully What are they going to do about it? Might makes right. They've already done what little they can: pull access to their models wholesale rather than adopt an export compliance regime.
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Why do they need to "force Cloudflare" to do anything? Why wouldn't they just tell Hugging Face that they need to abide export restrictions directly - they're an American company? Doesn't sound dystopian enough with
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They get the dual-use scraps or whatever China is hawking. Being told "no" is never fun, but the regulations are not hard to comply with (despite what Anthropic might have you believe.) > I can't imagine US partners will
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> wouldn't that cause both Anthropic and OAI to fire non-citizens? They would do what the thousands of other companies do with their tens of thousands of engineers handling ITAR/EAR-regulated software/hardware every day: c
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Thousands of American engineers all over the country (most of whom probably aren't on Hacker News) work with ITAR/EAR-regulated software and hardware every single day: these regulations are really not difficult to abide if you&#x2
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> businesses can be colossally stupid too Businesses don't generally have the ability to take freedoms, power, etc. and then never relinquish control - their stupidity (in theory) has limited impact on everyone else.
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I was thinking this as well - DRAM and NAND demand instantly crashes because the primary chip supply ceases to exist. This "shortage" will pass.
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Here's an exercise: try drafting the statute. Then, let's see how quickly I can reinterpret whatever power you've grabbed in the name of "doing something" and pervert it for some other nefarious purpose, or just gen
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> Taiwan invasion Are many DRAM fabs in Taiwan? Does TSMC manufacture DRAM for SK Hynix, Samsung, Micron, or CXMT?
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> Yes, it's better to not do anything right? Ah yes, "We have to do something! Something must be better than nothing!" Famous last words before freedoms of all varieties are eroded.
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> It might be possible to push that out over PIO to an external USB 2.0 PHY. I doubt you will be able to achieve USB HS via a ULPI PHY without an FPGA tunneling the USB SIE for you and handling the tight turnaround requirement (in which

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