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4y ago
You don't get it. There's an easy way to do this, which is having a config setting. They don't want to put it easy, and provide all these more convoluted ways, because what you describe is an "ideal" which doesn
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0xblinq
4y ago
Wouldn't running your development environment inside docker provide the same safety levels?
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4y ago
THIS
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4y ago
And Adonis is great if you want to stay in jsland
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4y ago
First and foremost, I don't go SPA/React by default on every project, so that reduces a lot my need of the kind of framework I think you're thinking about. Now, if I do need a lot of interactivity in the frontend, I use Inert
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4y ago
And you're just falling into their trick. Just check how this works. And how easy it is to forget to do this on every environment you're deploying to, or for every other developer in your team. This is exactly the evil part I'
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4y ago
Sure. 1. Last paragraph of that link you posted 2. https://github.com/vercel/next.js/issues/8851 3. https://github.com/vercel/next.js/issues/10713 4. Many similar discussions to
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4y ago
Vercel is an evil company in disguise. I’ve understood this and stopped using Next with all the enabled by default and intentionally difficult to disable metrics collection system they have in Next. Having it enabled by default, without ask
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4y ago
I think the Laravel ecosystem is pretty comparable, if not better, than the rails one.
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4y ago
>In SPX every single page visit response (the HTML string) is maintained in local state. Revisits to an already visited page will not fire another request, Unpoly does this.
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4y ago
Well said. I've had to suffer those frameworks somebody thought they could do better without them, and it was a disaster. Nobody other than the person that wrote it was happy about it.
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4y ago
This looks extremely similar to Unpoly to me.
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4y ago
Yeah... I don't agree at all with their conclusions about running your own stuff "not that complicated". Sure, it is not "that complicated" for basic stuff, simple sites, hobby projects or overall quick'n dirty
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4y ago
I've used this approach a lot, although I prefer Unpoly to htmx. On my last project I paired it up with Alpinejs for the 100% client side interactions, leaving Unpoly for the use cases where I would have needed an API call in the SPA w
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4y ago
I think a big part of this is because of the the popular teachers and bloggers/youtubers which are not more than undercover (and some not even undercover) marketers for companies or solutions promoting the use of their platforms. So ma
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4y ago
> The con is that the components don’t seem as complete as MUI and not free either. I think you're mixing different things here. Not liking Alpine because you don't like the components is like not liking React because you don&#
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4y ago
> there are defined, standardized solutions for all of those Really? I have never seen two Next.js projects, open source or not, which use the same subset of libraries. Most don't even share the same "approach" to communic
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4y ago
Django is great, I've used it for many, many years until about 6 years ago. The problem I find with Django is that it's a purely backend framework. The moment you want to use their highly outdated templating system it becomes evid
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4y ago
Have my upvote. Full stack frameworks like Rails, Laravel or Adonis are not "fashion" anymore apparently. And people keep wasting time reinventing the wheel because that's the fashionable thing to do.
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> As someone who works in full stack development, what complexities are you talking about exactly? I just spin up a NextJS app with an express server if I need a backend as well. In a way, it's been easier than before where you'
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4y ago
Elixir is a great idea, but it's already dead. I know of several companies here in Europe that already ditched it and went back to other older technologies or moved to Go, etc. because the Elixir ecosystem is so small. Also they had to
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You can add any interactivity you want to PHP (or any other server rendered html) using Alpine.js, Unpoly, HTMX, or any other kind of modern approach to frontend JavaScript. It is not anymore a dichotomy between ugly jQuery spaghetti or ful
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You have never used Rails, have you? From the top of my head, you'll also need libraries for: - Background jobs - Validation - Translations/i18n - CSRF and other common security considerations - Testing (and integration testin
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Unpoly is the best thing I've discovered in the frontend world in the last 5 years. It's a breath of fresh air when compared to all the crazyness going on. I use it to replace almost all "api" calls to the backend and fo
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4y ago
+1 for Adonis. I've been using it for some time, together with unpoly + alpinejs and it's a real pleasure. I'm really productive with this stack. In fact, their docs site is built using these tools: https://github.
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> I have a few years of experience working mostly on the frontend with React and am getting more and more frustrated with all the added layers of complexity needed to work with most common frontend frameworks. It's complicated becau
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4y ago
Not really a company, just a side project used by me and some friends: Laravel + Unpoly + Tailwind.
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4y ago
99% agree with this. I agree with everything except the comparison with Laravel. I think it's great.
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From the user/product point of view, WordPress might be awesome for all the reasons you stated. As a developer, WordPress makes you feel miserable if you ever worked in any other framework/ecosystem. That's my experience at l
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4y ago
I do. I'm an extremely happy user of Unpoly.
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