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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9961314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9961314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9937778 https://news.ycombinator

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9961314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9961314 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9937778 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9937778 I've been pretty negative on Twitter for a while. I just don't see what they offer to justify their valuation. They have an estimated P/E of 87 and yet they aren't growing. On the other hand their short interest is growing:( TweetDeck is awesome. Their real time news is awesome. Their main website is awful. It's like a worse myspace. Twitter, find a way to clean news data and deliver it to me in under a second identified with sentiment and stock ticker and I'll pay.

sagarun 11y ago
I thought P/E is calculated for companies with a positive EPS. Twitter is loosing money. Not sure how you came up with P/E of 87.
- chollida1 11y ago
  > I thought P/E is calculated for companies with a positive EPS. Twitter is loosing money. Not sure how you came up with P/E of 87. Short answer I got it from my bloomberg terminal. Long answer. P/E is different from estimated( or forward) P/E. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price%E2%80%93earnings_ratio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price%E2%80%93earnings_ratio
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- chralieboy 11y ago
  You are technically correct. Silicon Valley uses P/E when calculating valuation/revenue, because startups are rarely profitable. They aren't equivalent in the same way that user growth and revenue growth are not equivalent to profit growth. A misinformed statistic for a misinformed view of how to build a successful business.
  - mohawk 11y ago
    Valuation/revenue would be price/sales, or P/S if you will. The P/E is a "forward P/E", with P = "today's price" and E = "someone's expectation of next year's earnings".
    - chralieboy 11y ago
      I agree on what it actually is, mine was a comment on how it is used. I've seen P/E used many times in SV referring to valuation/revenue.

sagarun 11y ago

I thought P/E is calculated for companies with a positive EPS. Twitter is loosing money. Not sure how you came up with P/E of 87.

chollida1 11y ago
> I thought P/E is calculated for companies with a positive EPS. Twitter is loosing money. Not sure how you came up with P/E of 87. Short answer I got it from my bloomberg terminal. Long answer. P/E is different from estimated( or forward) P/E. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price%E2%80%93earnings_ratio https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price%E2%80%93earnings_ratio
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chralieboy 11y ago
You are technically correct. Silicon Valley uses P/E when calculating valuation/revenue, because startups are rarely profitable. They aren't equivalent in the same way that user growth and revenue growth are not equivalent to profit growth. A misinformed statistic for a misinformed view of how to build a successful business.
- mohawk 11y ago
  Valuation/revenue would be price/sales, or P/S if you will. The P/E is a "forward P/E", with P = "today's price" and E = "someone's expectation of next year's earnings".
  - chralieboy 11y ago
    I agree on what it actually is, mine was a comment on how it is used. I've seen P/E used many times in SV referring to valuation/revenue.