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In trying to hire, where are you posting job ads? Or are you using recruiters? Both?

gkoberger 11y ago
My comment was more glib than a real complaint about how hiring is going for us. No good developer spends time on Angellist; it has to be proactive. That being said, we do get dozens of inbound applications every week from dev bootcampers who find us through Hacker News job postings/Angellist/etc. (For any developers looking to work at a cool startup, shameless plug: http://readme.io/careers/ http://readme.io/careers/)
- andrewljohnson 11y ago
  No good developer applies for jobs Ads can catch good people in transition, or looking for a change. Anecdotally, I've hired truly great people, and interviewed ex-Googlers and other good pedigrees, from Stackoverflow Careers and HN posts. 1) I once hired a pre-Googler on StackOverflow even - a guy who was on his way to Google in the fall, but liked my project, and wanted a summer gig. He intended to spend a few months vacationing, but got bored. 2) Another guy I hired via HN originally just left for Facebook, this month :( 3) And our current, long term, best developer, I found on Careers StackOverflow. I credit him with much of the success of our company. He's a special combination of outdoorsy and amazing coder, but no college or professional pedigree. He was hurling dynamite at avalanche banks when I found him, coding amazing apps with little revenue potential.
  - gkoberger 11y ago
    Joel is more eloquent at expressing the problems with hiring than I: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2005/01/27.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2005/01/27.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/FindingGreatDevelopers.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/FindingGreatDeveloper...
- MortenK 11y ago
  Why would you even post job listings and ask people to apply, if you think no good developers apply for jobs?
  - gkoberger 11y ago
    I guess I meant that no good developer is out looking for a job on something like Angellist or Hired.com. And plus, it never hurts to be a bit optimistic, I suppose.
    - deciplex 11y ago
      Then are you just round-filing CVs that you get via that path? Because if you really think that you'll get no good candidates that way, all you're doing is introducing needless noise into your search process by cluttering it up with unwanted candidates. Either you're not being honest about your opinion of those sites and others like them, or you are behaving irrationally.

My comment was more glib than a real complaint about how hiring is going for us. No good developer spends time on Angellist; it has to be proactive. That being said, we do get dozens of inbound applications every week from dev bootcampers who find us through Hacker News job postings/Angellist/etc. (For any developers looking to work at a cool startup, shameless plug: http://readme.io/careers/ http://readme.io/careers/)

andrewljohnson 11y ago
No good developer applies for jobs Ads can catch good people in transition, or looking for a change. Anecdotally, I've hired truly great people, and interviewed ex-Googlers and other good pedigrees, from Stackoverflow Careers and HN posts. 1) I once hired a pre-Googler on StackOverflow even - a guy who was on his way to Google in the fall, but liked my project, and wanted a summer gig. He intended to spend a few months vacationing, but got bored. 2) Another guy I hired via HN originally just left for Facebook, this month :( 3) And our current, long term, best developer, I found on Careers StackOverflow. I credit him with much of the success of our company. He's a special combination of outdoorsy and amazing coder, but no college or professional pedigree. He was hurling dynamite at avalanche banks when I found him, coding amazing apps with little revenue potential.
- gkoberger 11y ago
  Joel is more eloquent at expressing the problems with hiring than I: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2005/01/27.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2005/01/27.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/FindingGreatDevelopers.html http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/FindingGreatDeveloper...
MortenK 11y ago
Why would you even post job listings and ask people to apply, if you think no good developers apply for jobs?
- gkoberger 11y ago
  I guess I meant that no good developer is out looking for a job on something like Angellist or Hired.com. And plus, it never hurts to be a bit optimistic, I suppose.
  - deciplex 11y ago
    Then are you just round-filing CVs that you get via that path? Because if you really think that you'll get no good candidates that way, all you're doing is introducing needless noise into your search process by cluttering it up with unwanted candidates. Either you're not being honest about your opinion of those sites and others like them, or you are behaving irrationally.