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It is really fascinating how many people take seriously the idea that Rousey would be remotely competitive with ANY decently trained MMA fighter. She wouldn't

It is really fascinating how many people take seriously the idea that Rousey would be remotely competitive with ANY decently trained MMA fighter. She wouldn't stand a chance. Period. End of story. Don't go there. This is nothing to do with how skilled she is, how motivated she is, or her track record. She is a fantastic highly trained mentally strong athlete. But she's not remotely strong enough to fight a trained man. Could she kick my ass? Absolutely. Could she kick your ass? Probably. But a trained guy? No! Emphatically not. With the best will in the world there are very real differences between the sexes that can't be glossed over. It may be great marketing to present her as someone who could beat guys at MMA but it isn't real.

mistermann 11y ago
This is true, of course. But to me, the most impressive thing was how well female fighters technique is now. Even as recent as 5 years ago you could watch two females fighting, and they'd be fighting "like girls" to put it frankly, but now, their style is pretty much like any male fighter. I think some people rolled their eyes a bit when females first entered the sport, but now a female fight on a card is 100% legitimate and they are as great to watch as any other.
Strom 11y ago
Can you provide any examples of trained women vs trained men fighting in a martial arts competition? I haven't encountered such fights myself. If you haven't either then I do wonder, what exactly do you base your opinion on so strongly? I find it plausible that males have some advantage due to larger bones & muscles, but there's a long spectrum of skill between "decent" as you say, and what it takes to be a UFC champion. I don't think the extra muscle & bone mass will do much if you're unable to defend the elite level judo throws.
- oh_sigh 11y ago
  Has rousey ever used a judo throw in a match? The #1 time judo throws are used is when another person is trying to judo throw you(that is, in a judo competition)
  - yequalsx 11y ago
    Yes, she has. Lots of times.
  - sunsu 11y ago
    Yes. Many times. Here is one instance: https://artofgrappling.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/ufc-175-rr-throwwatermarked.gif https://artofgrappling.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/ufc-175-r...
  - bmelton 11y ago
    As has already been mentioned, yes, she's used judo throws extensively. Her judo is exceptional. Her mother was AnnMaria De Mars[1], the first American to win the World Judo Championships. Beyond that, Rousey herself won the bronze medal in the 2008 Summer Olympics in judo.[2] [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AnnMaria_De_Mars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AnnMaria_De_Mars [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judo_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_70_kg#Medalists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judo_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympi...
    - protomyth 11y ago
      Her mother is also pretty damn smart, and I would expect the daughter inherited the same intelligence. That is a pretty nasty combination of brawn and brains.
- yequalsx 11y ago
  I've done Japanese jiu-jitsu for 10 years. We train in free fighting as well as ground fighting. I'm not great by any means. I'm decent and a new person isn't going to beat me. I have sparred with low level pro fighters including one guy who fought in the now defunct IFL and one guy who made it to the semi finals of the Ultimate fighter one season and another contestant on that show. I've also sparred with a number of amateur fighters. All of them could defeat me in ground fighting and especially in sparring. They were and are way better than me. I've also sparred with amateur MMA women and none of them could even come close to winning against me. They simply don't have the strength. I could muscle out of any move they do. They don't have the punching power of a man and their striking ability does not instill fear. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Ronda Rousey could beat me in a fight. She is strong for a woman and she is in great shape. Fitness is a skill in a fight. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that she could not even defeat a low level pro male fighter. She would have not a single advantage and all of the disadvantages. Such is my opinion based on anecdotal experience.
  - vehementi 11y ago
    It seems odd that the defense against all of her amazing moves and choke holds happens to be having a few tens % more muscle strength.
    - yequalsx 11y ago
      I believe you have reached a conclusion that is not justified by what I actually wrote. Nowhere did I imply that the only defense against against her moves is to have more muscle strength. The point of commenting on muscle strength is that if one is strong enough to muscle out of a person's move then they don't have to be as talented to defend against said moves. Hence the belief that many people have that Ronda would not stand a chance against even a low level pro male fighter.
      - vehementi 11y ago
        I didn't suggest that that is the only defense against her moves, but you seem to be saying that no matter what move / hold someone puts on you, you'd be able to get out of it with mere brute force if only you were 50% stronger. Is that really true?
- anon8418 11y ago
  >> Can you provide any examples of trained women vs trained men fighting in a martial arts competition? Here is one example: Lucia Rijker vs Somchai Jaideea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsaTPtUl4vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsaTPtUl4vs Wiki's description of this fight: An exhibition match involving a man verses a woman was sanctioned between Lucia Rijker who was then undefeated and Somchai Jaidee who considered a journeyman amongst his division, they both were almost identical in weight apart from the arbitrary weight discrepancy of 1 pound, during the opening minutes of the first bout Rijker proceeded to stand virtually toe-to-toe with Somchai whos strength advantage was already apparent, however Lucy shows impressive speed, Lucy then makes several attempts to kick Somchai to which Lucy bounces of him and loses her balance on multiple occasions due to the lopsided physical superiority of Somchai, Lucy however did not make it to the end of the fight when she attempted to brawl the stronger male Somchai and was knocked completely unconscious, many believed that it served as an example of why a women should not be sanctioned to fight a man(hungdaddy patriarchy), the match was since then dubbed the "cook the man some eggshibition".
- anon8418 11y ago
  >> Can you provide any examples of trained women vs trained men fighting in a martial arts competition? Here is one example: Lucia Rijker vs Somchai Jaideea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsaTPtUl4vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsaTPtUl4vs Wiki's description of this fight: An exhibition match involving a man verses a woman was sanctioned between Lucia Rijker who was then undefeated and Somchai Jaidee who considered a journeyman amongst his division, they both were almost identical in weight apart from the arbitrary weight discrepancy of 1 pound, during the opening minutes of the first bout Rijker proceeded to stand virtually toe-to-toe with Somchai whos strength advantage was already apparent, however Lucy shows impressive speed, Lucy then makes several attempts to kick Somchai to which Lucy bounces of him and loses her balance on multiple occasions due to the lopsided physical superiority of Somchai, Lucy however did not make it to the end of the fight when she attempted to brawl the stronger male Somchai and was knocked completely unconscious, many believed that it served as an example of why a women should not be sanctioned to fight a man(hungdaddy patriarchy), the match was since then dubbed the "cook the man some eggshibition".
- ThrustVectoring 11y ago
  The physical differences between the genders is very large. I remember hearing about a study on grip strength - the average man was roughly equivalent to an elite female athlete.

mistermann 11y ago

This is true, of course. But to me, the most impressive thing was how well female fighters technique is now. Even as recent as 5 years ago you could watch two females fighting, and they'd be fighting "like girls" to put it frankly, but now, their style is pretty much like any male fighter. I think some people rolled their eyes a bit when females first entered the sport, but now a female fight on a card is 100% legitimate and they are as great to watch as any other.

Strom 11y ago

Can you provide any examples of trained women vs trained men fighting in a martial arts competition? I haven't encountered such fights myself. If you haven't either then I do wonder, what exactly do you base your opinion on so strongly? I find it plausible that males have some advantage due to larger bones & muscles, but there's a long spectrum of skill between "decent" as you say, and what it takes to be a UFC champion. I don't think the extra muscle & bone mass will do much if you're unable to defend the elite level judo throws.

oh_sigh 11y ago
Has rousey ever used a judo throw in a match? The #1 time judo throws are used is when another person is trying to judo throw you(that is, in a judo competition)
- yequalsx 11y ago
  Yes, she has. Lots of times.
- sunsu 11y ago
  Yes. Many times. Here is one instance: https://artofgrappling.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/ufc-175-rr-throwwatermarked.gif https://artofgrappling.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/ufc-175-r...
- bmelton 11y ago
  As has already been mentioned, yes, she's used judo throws extensively. Her judo is exceptional. Her mother was AnnMaria De Mars[1], the first American to win the World Judo Championships. Beyond that, Rousey herself won the bronze medal in the 2008 Summer Olympics in judo.[2] [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AnnMaria_De_Mars https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AnnMaria_De_Mars [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judo_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Women%27s_70_kg#Medalists https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judo_at_the_2008_Summer_Olympi...
  - protomyth 11y ago
    Her mother is also pretty damn smart, and I would expect the daughter inherited the same intelligence. That is a pretty nasty combination of brawn and brains.
yequalsx 11y ago
I've done Japanese jiu-jitsu for 10 years. We train in free fighting as well as ground fighting. I'm not great by any means. I'm decent and a new person isn't going to beat me. I have sparred with low level pro fighters including one guy who fought in the now defunct IFL and one guy who made it to the semi finals of the Ultimate fighter one season and another contestant on that show. I've also sparred with a number of amateur fighters. All of them could defeat me in ground fighting and especially in sparring. They were and are way better than me. I've also sparred with amateur MMA women and none of them could even come close to winning against me. They simply don't have the strength. I could muscle out of any move they do. They don't have the punching power of a man and their striking ability does not instill fear. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that Ronda Rousey could beat me in a fight. She is strong for a woman and she is in great shape. Fitness is a skill in a fight. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that she could not even defeat a low level pro male fighter. She would have not a single advantage and all of the disadvantages. Such is my opinion based on anecdotal experience.
- vehementi 11y ago
  It seems odd that the defense against all of her amazing moves and choke holds happens to be having a few tens % more muscle strength.
  - yequalsx 11y ago
    I believe you have reached a conclusion that is not justified by what I actually wrote. Nowhere did I imply that the only defense against against her moves is to have more muscle strength. The point of commenting on muscle strength is that if one is strong enough to muscle out of a person's move then they don't have to be as talented to defend against said moves. Hence the belief that many people have that Ronda would not stand a chance against even a low level pro male fighter.
    - vehementi 11y ago
      I didn't suggest that that is the only defense against her moves, but you seem to be saying that no matter what move / hold someone puts on you, you'd be able to get out of it with mere brute force if only you were 50% stronger. Is that really true?
anon8418 11y ago
>> Can you provide any examples of trained women vs trained men fighting in a martial arts competition? Here is one example: Lucia Rijker vs Somchai Jaideea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsaTPtUl4vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsaTPtUl4vs Wiki's description of this fight: An exhibition match involving a man verses a woman was sanctioned between Lucia Rijker who was then undefeated and Somchai Jaidee who considered a journeyman amongst his division, they both were almost identical in weight apart from the arbitrary weight discrepancy of 1 pound, during the opening minutes of the first bout Rijker proceeded to stand virtually toe-to-toe with Somchai whos strength advantage was already apparent, however Lucy shows impressive speed, Lucy then makes several attempts to kick Somchai to which Lucy bounces of him and loses her balance on multiple occasions due to the lopsided physical superiority of Somchai, Lucy however did not make it to the end of the fight when she attempted to brawl the stronger male Somchai and was knocked completely unconscious, many believed that it served as an example of why a women should not be sanctioned to fight a man(hungdaddy patriarchy), the match was since then dubbed the "cook the man some eggshibition".
anon8418 11y ago
>> Can you provide any examples of trained women vs trained men fighting in a martial arts competition? Here is one example: Lucia Rijker vs Somchai Jaideea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsaTPtUl4vs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsaTPtUl4vs Wiki's description of this fight: An exhibition match involving a man verses a woman was sanctioned between Lucia Rijker who was then undefeated and Somchai Jaidee who considered a journeyman amongst his division, they both were almost identical in weight apart from the arbitrary weight discrepancy of 1 pound, during the opening minutes of the first bout Rijker proceeded to stand virtually toe-to-toe with Somchai whos strength advantage was already apparent, however Lucy shows impressive speed, Lucy then makes several attempts to kick Somchai to which Lucy bounces of him and loses her balance on multiple occasions due to the lopsided physical superiority of Somchai, Lucy however did not make it to the end of the fight when she attempted to brawl the stronger male Somchai and was knocked completely unconscious, many believed that it served as an example of why a women should not be sanctioned to fight a man(hungdaddy patriarchy), the match was since then dubbed the "cook the man some eggshibition".
ThrustVectoring 11y ago
The physical differences between the genders is very large. I remember hearing about a study on grip strength - the average man was roughly equivalent to an elite female athlete.