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Galaxy Quest

41 points by markmassie 11y ago

trav4225 11y ago
No offense, but I just find this sad.
- moubarak 11y ago
  In what way? i find it sad that Mars One > family for some "nerds". Family is the real mission and the real heros are those who achieve that status. Family also has a greater social benefit. The OP talks about Mars One as the mission that has great social benefit. That's really sad.
  - bitJericho 11y ago
    OP is in complete and utter denial.
  - trav4225 11y ago
    That's pretty much what I meant. :)
  - oafitupa 11y ago
    Yeah who cares about saving humanity from extinction. Let's just stay here with out families and our 4x4's until we drown. Real heroes.
    - danielweber 11y ago
      I fully intend to go to Mars, but someone "just staying here with their family" is just as noble a mission.
    - bitJericho 11y ago
      The mars mission is a death mission. Someone with a family has a duty to support and protect that family. She's a complete failure as a parent. She's telling her children that her death mission is more import an than them. I'd hope she would come to her senses come launch day.
shanusmagnus 11y ago
I wonder how it will affect things if she doesn't go? You get married with (presumably) the assumption that this person is the core of your life, but then this Mars stuff happens and it becomes apparent where the spouse falls in the pecking order of your value system. Does it cast a dark cloud on the relationship afterward? "I want to be with you forever unless this really cool opportunity comes up, then I'm leaving you and the kids and we'll never see each other again." This isn't a criticism -- it's nothing to me how these people choose to live their lives, and I'm all about pursuing your dreams. But it seems like there would be consequences to being so formally (and publicly) ranked second, or lower, by your wife.
- resu_nimda 11y ago
  Well it just takes being a strong, independent person. Personally I don't really subscribe to the marriage-above-all-else philosophy. You have to accept that you are not the center of the universe, and even if someone truly loves you their agenda might not line up with yours. By the same token the husband should feel free to seek whatever he needs to make do in light of that. It may be cliche, but "if you love someone, set them free." It certainly does take courage and resolve to do that.
  - Bouncingsoul1 11y ago
    Well technically you are the center of the universe http://theastronomist.fieldofscience.com/2010/03/you-are-at-center-of-universe.html http://theastronomist.fieldofscience.com/2010/03/you-are-at-... . But since everybody is, nobody is special either
  - eggnet 11y ago
    You forgot the kids.
- bliti 11y ago
  To call it a cool opportunity that comes up is a bit of a stretch. If this happens, and it does get to mars, it will put her in the ranks of the most important figures in history. For the sake if humanity itself. This is not something you do to glorify yourself. It is the ultimate sacrifice. Your life in exchange for the advancement and future of mankind. Flying in a metal can to a place that has absolutely nothing to begin a generations long process. I cannot fathom what that family is going through. I do wish them the best.
lifeisstillgood 11y ago
But seriously I thought this Mars One thing was just crap - we have no idea how to build the rockets to get there let alone land, find water, make food and oxygen. I mean nice idea and all that but... It's crap. By the time we sort this out these folks will be retired and we will be looking for another 20 younger folks to go die. Surely they can't think she is actually going to go, as opposed to go do training and have some fun things to say at cocktail parties. Edit: ok so maybe we have an idea, but not enough to just ask Elon for the extras package, and no where near enough money to do the research and development. I mean - moonshot, 5% of GDP for 10 years.
- rm445 11y ago
  Robert Zubrin reckoned the whole Mars Direct programme would cost $55 billion in 1995 dollars. Let's say 'The Case for Mars' is viable but the costings were optimistic, and should be more like $500 billion in 2015 dollars, that's more like 0.3% of USA GDP for ten years. Way greater than Mars One's supposed budget but achievable if America decided to colonise Mars.
  - lifeisstillgood 11y ago
    Iirc NASA's budget for Apollo reached 5% of GDP - so I would rather look at the past project costs than future projections.
    - lifeisstillgood 11y ago
      So some slightly more researched figures: http://mobile.extremetech.com/latest/221705-the-apollo-11-moon-landing-45-years-on-looking-back-at-mankinds-giant-leap?origref= http://mobile.extremetech.com/latest/221705-the-apollo-11-mo... >> In 2009, NASA looked back at the cost of the Apollo program in its entirety, and arrived at a figure of $170 billion in 2005 dollars. 1966 NASA funding peaked at 4.4% of Federal Budget (not GDP). So my memory is way off. The parent post of 500bn looks more reasonable against the Apollo cost of 170bn, but current Federal budget is 3.9 Trillion, 4.4% of which is 170bn. So looking at NASA as % of federal budget we see 170bn per annum for best part of a decade, or close on 2 trillion dollars. Whichever way we look at it, Mars will be pricey. And well beyond non state actors.
mekkz 11y ago
I'm not sure how this ended up on the front page... I thought we already decided that Mars One is a giant scam: http://www.iflscience.com/space/whats-going-mars-one http://www.iflscience.com/space/whats-going-mars-one
- tymekpavel 11y ago
  It would seem this article casts doubt on Roche's accusations.
  - carlosdp 11y ago
    It doesn't really. He doesn't provide any counter evidence to Roche's claims. He just confirms one (the 75% donation of media fees) and claims it didn't affect his wife's chances. Though, logically, of course it would since she's one of the most media-present candidates.
- tzs 11y ago
  Even if it is a scam, I don't see how that is relevant. Most of the article is about things that apply to this kind of grand endeavor regardless of whether it turns out to be realistic and legit, completely nuts and legit, or illegitimate.
  - atroyn 11y ago
    "Even if it is a scam, I don't see how that is relevant." Well that certainly neatly summarises the sort of magical thinking about technology currently in vogue. The fact is it does matter whether or not Mars One is realistic or legitimate. Because there's always a backlash. Right now we have some optimism about space - big, hairy expensive programs like the ISS are actually getting done. Space X is actually achieving what so many internet billionaire's pet space projects failed to do previously. "Grand Endeavours" aren't made up of PR stunts and ridiculous plans - they're made up of really smart, tough people working on really hard problems for a long time. What happens when the Mars One backlash and disappointment hits the mainstream? Do you think the average person is going to have a lot of faith in subsequent NASA proposals for Mars? What do you think is the flipside of this?
gus_massa 11y ago
It's linked in the article, but worth reading: * "Mars One Finalist Explains Exactly How It‘s Ripping Off Supporters": https://medium.com/matter/mars-one-insider-quits-dangerously-flawed-project-2dfef95217d3 https://medium.com/matter/mars-one-insider-quits-dangerously... > No money, no process, no explanation: An insider speaks out on the hopelessly flawed scheme. * iflscience coverage: http://www.iflscience.com/space/whats-going-mars-one http://www.iflscience.com/space/whats-going-mars-one (HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9250474 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9250474 (81 points, 132 days ago, 23 comments))
oxide 11y ago
"Mars One did certainly request donations along with 75 percent of any proceeds from participants’ media interviews, but this had no impact on Sonia’s selection that we could see." this is denial. if it isn't, it's a giant red flag at the very least.
pugio 11y ago
It doesn't matter if Mars One is a scam, the article makes a good point: Our sense of optimism, of pioneering spirit, of looking to the stars, has suffered greatly in recent decades. If all it does is nudge people from looking forward to a now ubiquitous (in fiction) dystopic future, to again staring at the sky with wonder and possibility, it will be a resounding success. I wonder if that wasn't a large part of the point of the whole undertaking. Also, regardless of whether the mission is ever launched or not, the article is interesting for being a science fiction story that isn't. I grew up with authors looking for the small human stories in spaceflight and star colonization, and now here's a true personal one, for real... Someone is actually thinking deeply on what it will be like for their own spouse to leave them for MARS. That this can happen now, even if this particular mission ultimately leads nowhere, is incredible.
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nemo 11y ago
Mars One actually accepted applicants who were married? I'd thought I'd already lost all respect for them but somehow found more to lose.
- danielweber 11y ago
  Since Mars One isn't sending anyone anywhere, it doesn't matter if the applicants are married or not.
  - nemo 11y ago
    Sure, they aren't actually sending anyone, but they are pretending they are, and gullible people believe them. Accepting applicants who are married and screwing with their spouses' minds is incredibly ugly, even if it's just messing with people's heads and not actually separating families.
mscarborough 11y ago
That is a very long article over-dramatizing a fantasy scenario that will 100% not happen in their lifetime. These folks sure glommed onto something that allows them to talk about themselves a lot. If Mars One wasn't just a short-term money grab, they wouldn't be too concerned with collecting 75% of interview fees. That is so bush league that to imagine your whole life is going to be shaped by this organization is pretty delusional.
rm445 11y ago
"Galaxy" quest? I know that authors in print publications generally don't write the headlines, and it seems a perfectly worthy article despite the iffiness of the Mars One project. But I still wonder why writers generally make no effort to distinguish between the Solar System, our Galaxy, other galaxies and the whole universe. Of course, 'Galaxy Quest' is a pretty popular science fiction film, but it's one that parodies mainly a space opera series that takes place long after the Solar System has been explored. For anyone interested enough to read the article, titling it 'Galaxy Quest' is an outright distraction. You can say I'm pointlessly nitpicking, but I genuinely believe that laziness and sticking to convention ('here's a sci-fi reference!') has fuelled the decline of print journalism in favour of more authentic fare.
tvawnz 11y ago
What an annoying article. I don't really see the point of it besides it being half humblebrag half swan song. All the actual information has been covered to death. I do like the paroxysms of noble largesse regarding his wife though. Strangely cuckoldish.
- al2o3cr 11y ago
  Did you mean "BY GRABTHAR'S HAMMER, what an annoying article!" :)

Galaxy Quest

41 points by markmassie 11y ago

trav4225 11y ago

No offense, but I just find this sad.

moubarak 11y ago
In what way? i find it sad that Mars One > family for some "nerds". Family is the real mission and the real heros are those who achieve that status. Family also has a greater social benefit. The OP talks about Mars One as the mission that has great social benefit. That's really sad.
- bitJericho 11y ago
  OP is in complete and utter denial.
- trav4225 11y ago
  That's pretty much what I meant. :)
- oafitupa 11y ago
  Yeah who cares about saving humanity from extinction. Let's just stay here with out families and our 4x4's until we drown. Real heroes.
  - danielweber 11y ago
    I fully intend to go to Mars, but someone "just staying here with their family" is just as noble a mission.
  - bitJericho 11y ago
    The mars mission is a death mission. Someone with a family has a duty to support and protect that family. She's a complete failure as a parent. She's telling her children that her death mission is more import an than them. I'd hope she would come to her senses come launch day.

shanusmagnus 11y ago

I wonder how it will affect things if she doesn't go? You get married with (presumably) the assumption that this person is the core of your life, but then this Mars stuff happens and it becomes apparent where the spouse falls in the pecking order of your value system. Does it cast a dark cloud on the relationship afterward? "I want to be with you forever unless this really cool opportunity comes up, then I'm leaving you and the kids and we'll never see each other again." This isn't a criticism -- it's nothing to me how these people choose to live their lives, and I'm all about pursuing your dreams. But it seems like there would be consequences to being so formally (and publicly) ranked second, or lower, by your wife.

resu_nimda 11y ago
Well it just takes being a strong, independent person. Personally I don't really subscribe to the marriage-above-all-else philosophy. You have to accept that you are not the center of the universe, and even if someone truly loves you their agenda might not line up with yours. By the same token the husband should feel free to seek whatever he needs to make do in light of that. It may be cliche, but "if you love someone, set them free." It certainly does take courage and resolve to do that.
- Bouncingsoul1 11y ago
  Well technically you are the center of the universe http://theastronomist.fieldofscience.com/2010/03/you-are-at-center-of-universe.html http://theastronomist.fieldofscience.com/2010/03/you-are-at-... . But since everybody is, nobody is special either
- eggnet 11y ago
  You forgot the kids.
bliti 11y ago
To call it a cool opportunity that comes up is a bit of a stretch. If this happens, and it does get to mars, it will put her in the ranks of the most important figures in history. For the sake if humanity itself. This is not something you do to glorify yourself. It is the ultimate sacrifice. Your life in exchange for the advancement and future of mankind. Flying in a metal can to a place that has absolutely nothing to begin a generations long process. I cannot fathom what that family is going through. I do wish them the best.

lifeisstillgood 11y ago

But seriously I thought this Mars One thing was just crap - we have no idea how to build the rockets to get there let alone land, find water, make food and oxygen. I mean nice idea and all that but... It's crap. By the time we sort this out these folks will be retired and we will be looking for another 20 younger folks to go die. Surely they can't think she is actually going to go, as opposed to go do training and have some fun things to say at cocktail parties. Edit: ok so maybe we have an idea, but not enough to just ask Elon for the extras package, and no where near enough money to do the research and development. I mean - moonshot, 5% of GDP for 10 years.

rm445 11y ago
Robert Zubrin reckoned the whole Mars Direct programme would cost $55 billion in 1995 dollars. Let's say 'The Case for Mars' is viable but the costings were optimistic, and should be more like $500 billion in 2015 dollars, that's more like 0.3% of USA GDP for ten years. Way greater than Mars One's supposed budget but achievable if America decided to colonise Mars.
- lifeisstillgood 11y ago
  Iirc NASA's budget for Apollo reached 5% of GDP - so I would rather look at the past project costs than future projections.
  - lifeisstillgood 11y ago
    So some slightly more researched figures: http://mobile.extremetech.com/latest/221705-the-apollo-11-moon-landing-45-years-on-looking-back-at-mankinds-giant-leap?origref= http://mobile.extremetech.com/latest/221705-the-apollo-11-mo... >> In 2009, NASA looked back at the cost of the Apollo program in its entirety, and arrived at a figure of $170 billion in 2005 dollars. 1966 NASA funding peaked at 4.4% of Federal Budget (not GDP). So my memory is way off. The parent post of 500bn looks more reasonable against the Apollo cost of 170bn, but current Federal budget is 3.9 Trillion, 4.4% of which is 170bn. So looking at NASA as % of federal budget we see 170bn per annum for best part of a decade, or close on 2 trillion dollars. Whichever way we look at it, Mars will be pricey. And well beyond non state actors.

mekkz 11y ago

I'm not sure how this ended up on the front page... I thought we already decided that Mars One is a giant scam: http://www.iflscience.com/space/whats-going-mars-one http://www.iflscience.com/space/whats-going-mars-one

tymekpavel 11y ago
It would seem this article casts doubt on Roche's accusations.
- carlosdp 11y ago
  It doesn't really. He doesn't provide any counter evidence to Roche's claims. He just confirms one (the 75% donation of media fees) and claims it didn't affect his wife's chances. Though, logically, of course it would since she's one of the most media-present candidates.
tzs 11y ago
Even if it is a scam, I don't see how that is relevant. Most of the article is about things that apply to this kind of grand endeavor regardless of whether it turns out to be realistic and legit, completely nuts and legit, or illegitimate.
- atroyn 11y ago
  "Even if it is a scam, I don't see how that is relevant." Well that certainly neatly summarises the sort of magical thinking about technology currently in vogue. The fact is it does matter whether or not Mars One is realistic or legitimate. Because there's always a backlash. Right now we have some optimism about space - big, hairy expensive programs like the ISS are actually getting done. Space X is actually achieving what so many internet billionaire's pet space projects failed to do previously. "Grand Endeavours" aren't made up of PR stunts and ridiculous plans - they're made up of really smart, tough people working on really hard problems for a long time. What happens when the Mars One backlash and disappointment hits the mainstream? Do you think the average person is going to have a lot of faith in subsequent NASA proposals for Mars? What do you think is the flipside of this?

gus_massa 11y ago

It's linked in the article, but worth reading: * "Mars One Finalist Explains Exactly How It‘s Ripping Off Supporters": https://medium.com/matter/mars-one-insider-quits-dangerously-flawed-project-2dfef95217d3 https://medium.com/matter/mars-one-insider-quits-dangerously... > No money, no process, no explanation: An insider speaks out on the hopelessly flawed scheme. * iflscience coverage: http://www.iflscience.com/space/whats-going-mars-one http://www.iflscience.com/space/whats-going-mars-one (HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9250474 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9250474 (81 points, 132 days ago, 23 comments))

oxide 11y ago

"Mars One did certainly request donations along with 75 percent of any proceeds from participants’ media interviews, but this had no impact on Sonia’s selection that we could see." this is denial. if it isn't, it's a giant red flag at the very least.

pugio 11y ago

It doesn't matter if Mars One is a scam, the article makes a good point: Our sense of optimism, of pioneering spirit, of looking to the stars, has suffered greatly in recent decades. If all it does is nudge people from looking forward to a now ubiquitous (in fiction) dystopic future, to again staring at the sky with wonder and possibility, it will be a resounding success. I wonder if that wasn't a large part of the point of the whole undertaking. Also, regardless of whether the mission is ever launched or not, the article is interesting for being a science fiction story that isn't. I grew up with authors looking for the small human stories in spaceflight and star colonization, and now here's a true personal one, for real... Someone is actually thinking deeply on what it will be like for their own spouse to leave them for MARS. That this can happen now, even if this particular mission ultimately leads nowhere, is incredible.

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nemo 11y ago

Mars One actually accepted applicants who were married? I'd thought I'd already lost all respect for them but somehow found more to lose.

danielweber 11y ago
Since Mars One isn't sending anyone anywhere, it doesn't matter if the applicants are married or not.
- nemo 11y ago
  Sure, they aren't actually sending anyone, but they are pretending they are, and gullible people believe them. Accepting applicants who are married and screwing with their spouses' minds is incredibly ugly, even if it's just messing with people's heads and not actually separating families.

mscarborough 11y ago

That is a very long article over-dramatizing a fantasy scenario that will 100% not happen in their lifetime. These folks sure glommed onto something that allows them to talk about themselves a lot. If Mars One wasn't just a short-term money grab, they wouldn't be too concerned with collecting 75% of interview fees. That is so bush league that to imagine your whole life is going to be shaped by this organization is pretty delusional.

rm445 11y ago

"Galaxy" quest? I know that authors in print publications generally don't write the headlines, and it seems a perfectly worthy article despite the iffiness of the Mars One project. But I still wonder why writers generally make no effort to distinguish between the Solar System, our Galaxy, other galaxies and the whole universe. Of course, 'Galaxy Quest' is a pretty popular science fiction film, but it's one that parodies mainly a space opera series that takes place long after the Solar System has been explored. For anyone interested enough to read the article, titling it 'Galaxy Quest' is an outright distraction. You can say I'm pointlessly nitpicking, but I genuinely believe that laziness and sticking to convention ('here's a sci-fi reference!') has fuelled the decline of print journalism in favour of more authentic fare.

tvawnz 11y ago

What an annoying article. I don't really see the point of it besides it being half humblebrag half swan song. All the actual information has been covered to death. I do like the paroxysms of noble largesse regarding his wife though. Strangely cuckoldish.

al2o3cr 11y ago
Did you mean "BY GRABTHAR'S HAMMER, what an annoying article!" :)