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This is accurate. The "tech" industry is 95% marketing that uses technology, not actual technology. The bad guys have won in Silicon Valley and I don't see ther

This is accurate. The "tech" industry is 95% marketing that uses technology, not actual technology. The bad guys have won in Silicon Valley and I don't see there being any way to reverse that.

monksy 11y ago
Not sure why you're getting downvoted for this. But basically: Business won. They're getting their way and it's terrible for tech. It's going to be terrible for our industry, and it's going to be worse for our future.
- icebraining 11y ago
  You're not sure why, in a forum ran by the paragon of SV, an opinion critical of SV culture is being downvoted? :) Besides, michaelochurch probably has a few downvotes by reflex at this point.
  - monksy 11y ago
    The thing about HN is that I'm only interested in the dev related articles. But I think you're right, and that you've pointed out something that argivates me about the HN crowd: It's not for devs. It's for the west coast/SV culture. (Which I'm not apart of)
    - white-flame 11y ago
      Which makes you wonder what they mean by "Hacker News" in the first place.
      - dang 11y ago
        https://news.ycombinator.com/hackernews.html https://news.ycombinator.com/hackernews.html
golergka 11y ago
I agree with everything in your comment but the "bad guys" are sentiment. What is bad about it?
- michaelochurch 11y ago
  It's not that "business guys" are bad. There are a lot of good business people out there. Look at Warren Buffett or Bill Gates. The problem in the Valley is that the dominant culture is now set by the people who moved West to take advantage of nerds and their poor negotiating skills. There's a personality type and it's not a good one. There are oilmen and coal miners and gold miners in the world, and Silicon Valley's leadership is comprised almost entirely of people miners who turn young male quixotry into gold. It's Hollywood for Ugly People. I don't dislike all business people. As with any other group, there are good ones who think long term and bad ones who raid companies and fail up. Technology just seems to be dominated, about 10-to-1, by the bad ones.
  - golergka 11y ago
    If "young male quixotry" can't turn themselves into gold themselves, then how are these people miners bad? And if they are, how do these people miners have any business at all?
    - michaelochurch 11y ago
      If "young male quixotry" can't turn themselves into gold themselves Underestimating the power ratio between capital and labor, they're easily tricked into believing that hard work can overcome the massive social distance between them and the investor/founder caste. The best thing for them isn't a foolhardy attempt to "turn themselves into gold" in the short term; it's to leave and then to build something better in the long run.

This is accurate. The "tech" industry is 95% marketing that uses technology, not actual technology. The bad guys have won in Silicon Valley and I don't see there being any way to reverse that.

monksy 11y ago

Not sure why you're getting downvoted for this. But basically: Business won. They're getting their way and it's terrible for tech. It's going to be terrible for our industry, and it's going to be worse for our future.

icebraining 11y ago
You're not sure why, in a forum ran by the paragon of SV, an opinion critical of SV culture is being downvoted? :) Besides, michaelochurch probably has a few downvotes by reflex at this point.
- monksy 11y ago
  The thing about HN is that I'm only interested in the dev related articles. But I think you're right, and that you've pointed out something that argivates me about the HN crowd: It's not for devs. It's for the west coast/SV culture. (Which I'm not apart of)
  - white-flame 11y ago
    Which makes you wonder what they mean by "Hacker News" in the first place.
    - dang 11y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/hackernews.html https://news.ycombinator.com/hackernews.html

golergka 11y ago

I agree with everything in your comment but the "bad guys" are sentiment. What is bad about it?

michaelochurch 11y ago
It's not that "business guys" are bad. There are a lot of good business people out there. Look at Warren Buffett or Bill Gates. The problem in the Valley is that the dominant culture is now set by the people who moved West to take advantage of nerds and their poor negotiating skills. There's a personality type and it's not a good one. There are oilmen and coal miners and gold miners in the world, and Silicon Valley's leadership is comprised almost entirely of people miners who turn young male quixotry into gold. It's Hollywood for Ugly People. I don't dislike all business people. As with any other group, there are good ones who think long term and bad ones who raid companies and fail up. Technology just seems to be dominated, about 10-to-1, by the bad ones.
- golergka 11y ago
  If "young male quixotry" can't turn themselves into gold themselves, then how are these people miners bad? And if they are, how do these people miners have any business at all?
  - michaelochurch 11y ago
    If "young male quixotry" can't turn themselves into gold themselves Underestimating the power ratio between capital and labor, they're easily tricked into believing that hard work can overcome the massive social distance between them and the investor/founder caste. The best thing for them isn't a foolhardy attempt to "turn themselves into gold" in the short term; it's to leave and then to build something better in the long run.