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I bet you're getting tired of hearing from me. But I did do some work on a CH-46. That was the previous medium lift helo for the Marines (and the Navy until the
by engi_nerd 11y ago
I bet you're getting tired of hearing from me. But I did do some work on a CH-46. That was the previous medium lift helo for the Marines (and the Navy until they retired the type in 2004).
So one CH-46 got shot down in Iraq by a MANPAD. Here is the video from the persons who did it http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=efb_1196612143 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=efb_1196612143 So there's a clear vulnerability there. Various attempts to address this met with mixed results. Here is one aircraft so modified https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5603/15563054829_09753417c0_b.jpg https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5603/15563054829_09753417c0_b.... It's sitting in a museum this way, so this stuff (which is not at all old) clearly didn't work.
Plus it was getting difficult to keep the things in the air...the youngest CH-46s were made in the early 1970s, but most dated from 1965-68. So, 40+ years old. There are even documented cases where a father and son (and even one father/daughter pair) flew the exact same CH-46 into combat, 4 decades apart.
The 46 is slow. You might push it up to 120 knots. And it was made in the era before digital avionics. The 46-E standard at least gave the aircraft a digital flight computer (not flight controls, but avionics control and some decent comms), but even that is now ancient and antiquated. That's the basic answer about the 46 -- good at its creation, one hell of an airframe, lasted longer than it should have by all rights, but it is just time to say goodbye.
As I said elsewhere, August 1 (today, now!) marks the final flight of HMM-774's last CH-46 to the Udvar-Hazy center in Dulles, VA, where the type will be officially retired. HMM-774 then officially becomes VMM-774 flying the V-22, and the conversion is complete.
- nickpsecurity 11y agoOh THAT thing. I remember calling a death trap without knowing the stats. Obvious why: flying too low too slow with plenty of bodies in it. Best thing to shoot. So, how well has Osprey done in terms of resisting being shot down vs those? Accident section on Wikipedia doesn't look complete for either.
- engi_nerd 11y agoWell, flying in aircraft mode means it can go much higher (12000 feet) and much faster (250 knots cruise speed), so it spends less time in threat areas. I don't believe any have been shot down by MANPADS, but I also don't know if any have been shot at by MANPADs. The CH-46 served so long that no complete public accident record is out there -- many of the sources are still on paper in obscure filing cabinets.