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As somebody who often makes more than my peers because I work harder and longer hours, I understand this logic perfectly. In some respects they ARE taking my m
by Ensorceled 11y ago
As somebody who often makes more than my peers because I work harder and longer hours, I understand this logic perfectly.
In some respects they ARE taking my money ... the company now has less money to distribute based upon merit.
Also, I would immediately become a 9-5 employee and enjoy my weekends like my now equally paid peers.
- icebraining 11y agoSo some people would get paid more, and you'd switch to a more balanced lifestyle? I'm struggling to see the downsides :)
- hueving 11y agoThe downside is that the company innovation dies way down because you've killed the meritocracy. Good people will either slack or leave.
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- icebraining 11y agoI'd love to see the empirical data that allows you to make the inference that company innovation depends on having wide-ranging salary levels.
- fokov 11y agoIt means all of the previous sacrifices the good employees made were for nothing in the eyes of management. Therefore, there is no reason to work hard at all. It is better to go leave for a competitor that knows how to treat their hard working employees.
- GVIrish 11y agoBut if you were getting compensated fairly before, why are you no longer getting compensated fairly because other people got a raise? The most rational action would be simply to match your work output to your peers. I mean if the market rate for the job you were doing is $70k, and all of a sudden fresh college grads are getting paid that at your company, it doesn't mean that you'll now get $100k elsewhere if you leave. If that is the case, you should have already left. Now if you were already being underpaid and you were staying at the company for some other reason I could see bailing when others got a pay bump regardless of their contribution.
- jsprogrammer 11y agoYou got it right at the beginning. People weren't being paid fairly before. To the point the person you responded to brought up though: Those years of sacrifice could have been compensated through equity grants instead.
- mistermann 11y ago> If that is the case, you should have already left. It's interesting how disingenuous conversations can become on HN. Where in one thread everyone will happily acknowledge that lots of developers work extremely long hours at startups for peanuts (in hopes of a possible big future payday) compared to what they could make guaranteed going to work at a larger established company, in another thread the mentality is that everyone is always optimizing for short term earnings.
- moistgorilla 11y agoThe downside is for the company
- mcphage 11y agoLet the company handle that.
- run4yourlives2 11y agoThe part he left out is he's only doing that until his job search pans out.
- morgante 11y ago> you'd switch to a more balanced lifestyle? Don't force your value system on others. I personally am happiest when I'm working 70-80 hours a week and appreciate being compensated for my hard work. Just because that doesn't describe you doesn't mean I should be forced to attain an artificial "balance."
- ori_b 11y agoSo, other people make more, and you'd make yourself unhappy in retaliation?
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- mistermann 11y agoHis value system is consistent with the cultural norm (higher pay for longer harder work). In my opinion you shouldn't act like he is the one acting strange.
- ori_b 11y agoHe's not acting strangely, just irrationally. The two, unfortunately, are unrelated.
- morgante 11y ago> So, other people make more, and you'd make yourself unhappy in retaliation? No, but I would start looking for another job. If the company has the excess profit to be giving out huge raises, I'd be upset that those raises were allocated only to low performers.
- icebraining 11y agoFirst, I'm not forcing anyone, my opinion is completely inconsequential to your professional life. Secondly, Ensorceled specifically said (s)he would start "enjoying the weekends", which implies the long hours were, unlike for you, not being particularly enjoyable.
- Ensorceled 11y agoLol. That's actually very true. May not be a downside at all :-)
- pm24601 11y agoAnd you would be replaced by people that would regard your (former) pay as a huge salary increase. Don't be so certain that the company will be sad to see you leave. The people who replace you might be even better than you.
- Ensorceled 11y agoWhy would I be replaced? I'm still there and just as productive as all my peers?
- pm24601 11y agobecause now you are 9-5-ing it for a salary that is above the median wage for Seattle. ( http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/2013/09/median-income-in-seattle-area-was.html http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/blog/2013/09/median-incom... ). Considering that this is also above the median income for the Washington and the US as a whole. There were a number of people making less than that at Gravity Payments; so it seems likely that there are other qualified people in the area who will appreciate the salary that you are now grumpy over. In fact, apparently 1000s are applying to Gravity Payments hoping to take any grumpy person's job. So if you are grumpy and 9-5ing it (as you said); why should Gravity Payments keep you? How would your stated attitude help you work with people who did get a raise? This kind of attitude is toxic.
- Ensorceled 11y agoWho said I would be grumpy or toxic? Just working the same hours as my peers would actually probably make me less grumpy. I'd be very happy and grateful to adjust my effort downwards if I can keep my same salary.