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How do you get from a personal donation to a state-wide proposition, to "inhuman scum"?

by notsony 11y ago

coldpie 11y ago
Did you pay attention to the Prop 8 campaigners? They were and remain jaw-droppingly disgusting people. > Early on, Prop 8’s supporters decided to focus their campaign primarily on children, stoking parents’ fears about gay people brainwashing their kids with pro-gay messages or, implicitly, turning their children gay. > Another notorious commercial shows an earnest school administrator fretting that a “new health curriculum” that mentions gay marriage will “mess up” children with reference to “gay attraction.” > In perhaps the most insulting ad, two gay fathers are quizzed about marriage and reproduction by their daughter; the takeaway, of course, is that this faux-family is twisting the mind and morals of their child with perverse ideas about marriage and love. http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/04/04/brendan_eich_supported_prop_8_which_was_worse_than_you_remember.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/04/04/brendan_eich_s... (Also it appears I got the donation amount wrong, it was $1,000, not $10,000.)
- BrendanEich 11y ago
  You got a lot wrong.
  - coldpie 11y ago
    Go on.
    - BrendanEich 11y ago
      You seem to like comics that summarize one side of the story. Here's the other side: http://adam4d.com/whos-the-bigot http://adam4d.com/whos-the-bigot
      - coldpie 11y ago
        Don't try to pretend the Prop 8 campaign was some reasonable, thoughtful discussion of the impacts of gay marriage on society. Prop 8 was a campaign of hate directed against a historically maligned minority, designed to prevent that group from gaining acceptance. The ads implied crazy off-the-wall shit like recruitment of children (read between the lines: homosexuals are pedophiles) and that somehow children being told that homosexuality is OK is a horrible thing.
        BrendanEich 11y ago
        No one implied any such thing, but you will read that into any ad defending parental rights to educate small children. There's no point in arguing if your premise is anyone who does not agree with you is a hateful bigot. Hence the comic, hope you enjoyed it!
        coldpie 11y ago
        So, I was right to begin with: Eich unapologetically contributed material support to a campaign of hate against many of his own employees, and it's entirely justified for such a person to be ousted from a leadership position in a company that doesn't wish to lose many of its gay and gay-friendly employees.
        BrendanEich 11y ago
        Your circular argument did not move my LGBT supporters at Mozilla, or negate my record of good conduct and relations over the years with all non-Jacobins. And of course Mozilla did not fire me because of anything like your bigoted imputation of "hate". Such noise amounted to a non-issue. Being in an echo chamber is not good for one's hearing. Step outside and listen.
        coldpie 11y ago
        (If you are Eich, I apologize for the awkward third-person conversation. I don't have any proof of your identity and I don't want to attribute anything said here to him without it.) A non-issue? Literally every article I can find about the resignation is backed by a discussion about Eich's anti-gay stance. The position at CEO lasted roughly a week before the resignation. OKCupid put up a big anti-Mozilla notice as a result of the appointment; I have a hard time describing that as "good relations." Unless you're willing to put forward some new insider information, it's really hard to believe that such noise was not a factor, if not THE factor, in the resignation. Why did Eich resign after a week if not for the outrage at his anti-gay stance? > your bigoted imputation of "hate" Lol

How do you get from a personal donation to a state-wide proposition, to "inhuman scum"?

by notsony 11y ago

How do you get from a personal donation to a state-wide proposition, to "inhuman scum"?

Did you pay attention to the Prop 8 campaigners? They were and remain jaw-droppingly disgusting people. > Early on, Prop 8’s supporters decided to focus their campaign primarily on children, stoking parents’ fears about gay people brainwashing their kids with pro-gay messages or, implicitly, turning their children gay. > Another notorious commercial shows an earnest school administrator fretting that a “new health curriculum” that mentions gay marriage will “mess up” children with reference to “gay attraction.” > In perhaps the most insulting ad, two gay fathers are quizzed about marriage and reproduction by their daughter; the takeaway, of course, is that this faux-family is twisting the mind and morals of their child with perverse ideas about marriage and love. http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/04/04/brendan_eich_supported_prop_8_which_was_worse_than_you_remember.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/04/04/brendan_eich_s... (Also it appears I got the donation amount wrong, it was $1,000, not $10,000.)

BrendanEich 11y ago
You got a lot wrong.
- coldpie 11y ago
  Go on.
  - BrendanEich 11y ago
    You seem to like comics that summarize one side of the story. Here's the other side: http://adam4d.com/whos-the-bigot http://adam4d.com/whos-the-bigot
    - coldpie 11y ago
      Don't try to pretend the Prop 8 campaign was some reasonable, thoughtful discussion of the impacts of gay marriage on society. Prop 8 was a campaign of hate directed against a historically maligned minority, designed to prevent that group from gaining acceptance. The ads implied crazy off-the-wall shit like recruitment of children (read between the lines: homosexuals are pedophiles) and that somehow children being told that homosexuality is OK is a horrible thing.
      - BrendanEich 11y ago
        No one implied any such thing, but you will read that into any ad defending parental rights to educate small children. There's no point in arguing if your premise is anyone who does not agree with you is a hateful bigot. Hence the comic, hope you enjoyed it!
        coldpie 11y ago
        So, I was right to begin with: Eich unapologetically contributed material support to a campaign of hate against many of his own employees, and it's entirely justified for such a person to be ousted from a leadership position in a company that doesn't wish to lose many of its gay and gay-friendly employees.
        BrendanEich 11y ago
        Your circular argument did not move my LGBT supporters at Mozilla, or negate my record of good conduct and relations over the years with all non-Jacobins. And of course Mozilla did not fire me because of anything like your bigoted imputation of "hate". Such noise amounted to a non-issue. Being in an echo chamber is not good for one's hearing. Step outside and listen.
        coldpie 11y ago
        (If you are Eich, I apologize for the awkward third-person conversation. I don't have any proof of your identity and I don't want to attribute anything said here to him without it.) A non-issue? Literally every article I can find about the resignation is backed by a discussion about Eich's anti-gay stance. The position at CEO lasted roughly a week before the resignation. OKCupid put up a big anti-Mozilla notice as a result of the appointment; I have a hard time describing that as "good relations." Unless you're willing to put forward some new insider information, it's really hard to believe that such noise was not a factor, if not THE factor, in the resignation. Why did Eich resign after a week if not for the outrage at his anti-gay stance? > your bigoted imputation of "hate" Lol