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> Especially as somehow "leader" is being interpreted by everyone as "the guy who does all work noone else does, and takes all responsibility noone else wants t

> Especially as somehow "leader" is being interpreted by everyone as "the guy who does all work noone else does, and takes all responsibility noone else wants to take" Hmm.

tacos 11y ago
Aka "my technical skills outshine my people skills and I'm highly motivated to get things done." I'm guilty as charged as well. It's ... exhausting. But it's also the exact set of personality flaws that results in so much stuff actually getting done on the planet. Everyone knows that guy. He's probably fixing your build screwup right now. Give him a hug or a beer. And find him a mentor and some competent helpers.
- philtar 11y ago
  That's not at all what he's saying. You're trying to validate what you do. Your AKA is pulled completely from your mind and has nothing to do with with original statement. A leader has people skills above all else. > I'm guilty as charged as well You two are not being charged for the same thing.
  - tacos 11y ago
    I related to much of what he was saying. Between the lines I felt what was going unsaid. So I brought experience and humanity to the discussion. I am not seeking validation. > A leader has people skills above all else. Leadership skills and interpersonal skills and management skills are completely separate. Amazing leaders/motivators who are downright shitty people are not uncommon in our industry. This particular leader made the classic mistake of doing too much. "Nobody else wants to do it? Nobody wants to take responsibility for this? I will. I'll do it" is the definition of a bad manager. And admitting it in your farewell post doesn't demonstrate great people skills either. Regardless, these people are all around us. And they deserve a beer and a mentor and some help. Next time you're looking for a project to contribute to, consider helping that guy.
    - dragonwriter 11y ago
      > Leadership skills and interpersonal skills and management skills are completely separate. No, they aren't. Leadership skills are a subset of interpersonal skills and management skills overlap interpersonal (especially the leadership subset) skills. They are all different sets, but they aren't completely separate.
      - tacos 11y ago
        If you're drawing a Venn Diagram of "ways to commmunicate" in two dimensions, sure. If you're thinking about humanity and ethics and the way each of those skills is valued by a community in transition, the ellipsoids don't have to touch. Might I suggest the current incarnation of Donald Trump as a case study if Steve Jobs is too trite.
serve_yay 11y ago
I get that leadership was a role he ended up in and not one he wanted. But, that quote above sounds to me like exactly what a leader is?
nailer 11y ago
> Especially as somehow "leader" is being interpreted by everyone as "the guy who does all work noone else does, and takes all responsibility noone else wants to take" That's what leadership is.
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- Twirrim 11y ago
  There's likely otherwise stuff to it, e.g. Does all the boring housekeeping commits, patches security vulnerabilities etc, leaving others to work on the 'sexy' stuff like new features.

> Especially as somehow "leader" is being interpreted by everyone as "the guy who does all work noone else does, and takes all responsibility noone else wants to take" Hmm.

tacos 11y ago

Aka "my technical skills outshine my people skills and I'm highly motivated to get things done." I'm guilty as charged as well. It's ... exhausting. But it's also the exact set of personality flaws that results in so much stuff actually getting done on the planet. Everyone knows that guy. He's probably fixing your build screwup right now. Give him a hug or a beer. And find him a mentor and some competent helpers.

philtar 11y ago
That's not at all what he's saying. You're trying to validate what you do. Your AKA is pulled completely from your mind and has nothing to do with with original statement. A leader has people skills above all else. > I'm guilty as charged as well You two are not being charged for the same thing.
- tacos 11y ago
  I related to much of what he was saying. Between the lines I felt what was going unsaid. So I brought experience and humanity to the discussion. I am not seeking validation. > A leader has people skills above all else. Leadership skills and interpersonal skills and management skills are completely separate. Amazing leaders/motivators who are downright shitty people are not uncommon in our industry. This particular leader made the classic mistake of doing too much. "Nobody else wants to do it? Nobody wants to take responsibility for this? I will. I'll do it" is the definition of a bad manager. And admitting it in your farewell post doesn't demonstrate great people skills either. Regardless, these people are all around us. And they deserve a beer and a mentor and some help. Next time you're looking for a project to contribute to, consider helping that guy.
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > Leadership skills and interpersonal skills and management skills are completely separate. No, they aren't. Leadership skills are a subset of interpersonal skills and management skills overlap interpersonal (especially the leadership subset) skills. They are all different sets, but they aren't completely separate.
    - tacos 11y ago
      If you're drawing a Venn Diagram of "ways to commmunicate" in two dimensions, sure. If you're thinking about humanity and ethics and the way each of those skills is valued by a community in transition, the ellipsoids don't have to touch. Might I suggest the current incarnation of Donald Trump as a case study if Steve Jobs is too trite.

serve_yay 11y ago

I get that leadership was a role he ended up in and not one he wanted. But, that quote above sounds to me like exactly what a leader is?

nailer 11y ago

> Especially as somehow "leader" is being interpreted by everyone as "the guy who does all work noone else does, and takes all responsibility noone else wants to take" That's what leadership is.

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Twirrim 11y ago
There's likely otherwise stuff to it, e.g. Does all the boring housekeeping commits, patches security vulnerabilities etc, leaving others to work on the 'sexy' stuff like new features.