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> Characters act as real humans would. That by definition rules out any semblance of reality in so-called rationalist fiction. Real humans only act rationally
by kijin 11y ago
> Characters act as real humans would.
That by definition rules out any semblance of reality in so-called rationalist fiction.
Real humans only act rationally some of the time. They're especially incapable of acting rationally when under extreme stress, such as when a mythical creature is trying to kill them.
People often do things for no particular reason. Some people are in fact evil just for the sake of it. Lack of clear communication is actually a big problem in the real world, just not in a way that is commonly portrayed in sitcoms.
Not every bad guy has a complex machiavellian scheme going, and it usually doesn't take an equally complex theme to bring them down. A lot of the time, it's just a matter of who has bigger guns. Often, the villain really has lousy op-sec, as the Silk Road guy did.
If you like reading stories with carefully designed worlds, hyper-analytic heroes, and clever puzzles, that's fine. But none of the features that distinguish rationalist literature from other kinds make them better works of literature, only better didactic tools for some purposes. Hammers are good tools for hitting nails, but that doesn't mean hammers are superior to other tools in any other respect.
My favorite parts of HPMOR are the war games, especially the big battle that takes place in the woods where every team comes up with creative strategies. None of the strategies work perfectly as intended, and there's a lot of improvising as well. That scene was so fun, and I could totally see it happening, precisely because of the healthy and realistic mixture of rationality, spontaneity, stupidity, and plain luck. Sadly, I can't say the same for the last few chapters of HPMOR. It contains too much complex scheming for the sake of scheming. That's just as pointless as being evil for the sake of evil.
My favorite novelist is Ursula Le Guin. Her works are set in lovingly designed, beautiful, and compelling worlds; but her characters display just enough inconsistency, thoughtlessness, and impulsiveness to make their plights relevant to ordinary humans. She manages to build tension and leave the reader longing for more without resorting to cheap puzzles or turning the heroes into masters of manipulation. And she does it without the pretense of teaching anybody anything. Haven't we long outgrown the age when every bedtime story had to have a clear moral lesson?
So let's take rationalist fiction for what they are: didactic tools. They're neither more realistic nor have any more literary merit than other types of fiction.
- kiba 11y agoNot every bad guy has a complex machiavellian scheme going, and it usually doesn't take an equally complex theme to bring them down. A lot of the time, it's just a matter of who has bigger guns. Often, the villain really has lousy op-sec, as the Silk Road guy did. A complex scheme seems to be more prone to failure.
- userulluipeste 11y ago"Some people are in fact evil just for the sake of it." It's interesting that many of us do not (either because can not or do not want to) realize it as a fact. Such "plain evil" people are usually just labeled as people with mental disorders, with such or such "syndrome" when the causes can not be clearly identified. These people are noticed and taken care of when their "illness" is severe, rendering them dangerous and foolish, but it's reasonable to expect that a lot of people with some moderate forms of such (so-called) affections to stay free and "ready for action" all their life. These kind of people do exist in real life and are part of daily play. Abstracting them away appears in itself like an irrational thing.