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"""When starting a new project from scratch, I see no reason NOT to use python 3. Maybe if a few libs you depend heavily on are still not ported.""" wxPython c

• toyg 11y ago
  It's 2015 and you still rely on wxPython? You probably have bigger problems than the 3.x transition.
  • ptx 11y ago
    Which cross-platform native desktop GUI toolkit would you recommend instead?
    • colincsl 11y ago
      I assume he's referring to Qt.
      • vetinari 11y ago
        PyQT is GPL3+commercial. PySide is Qt4. GKT3 looks ugly outside Linux. Tk looks obsolete everywhere. wxPython is Python 2 and I think GTK2 on Linux. Basically, there is no usable, modern cross-platform GUI toolkit for Python right now.
        • scrollaway 11y ago
          PyQt is very much usable. It's GPL3 but if you're using it in commercial projects, you shouldn't just pinch your nose because you have to get a commercial license. Besides, PySide is porting to Qt5 too.
          • vetinari 11y ago
            > PyQt is very much usable. It's GPL3 but if you're using it in commercial projects, you shouldn't just pinch your nose because you have to get a commercial license. But I do and thousands of other people do as well. Today, the value-add is somewhere else, not in language bindings for GUI toolkits.
            • scrollaway 11y ago
              No offense to whatever it is you work on, but if you are a commercial project and: - Can't comply with GPL3 and make your code compatible with the license - Can't afford to pay for a commercial license - Can't use a different language, such as C++, which has alternate offers Then the problem is on your side, because either your business model is wrong or you're simply being cheap. You're not entitled to a free GUI toolkit for no good reason.
              • vetinari 11y ago
                The measure is value for money. For 350 GBP (=500 EUR), you can have Intellij Idea. When you ask your boss for a budget for Nx500 (N=number of developers), it is a huge difference, if you ask that for language bindings for GUI toolkit, or IDE. The language and GUI toolkits are both free, the glue between them is not, and that damages them both. How many commercial PyQt apps have you seen in the wild? Exactly. Imagine, if someone asked money for XAML for C#... or for JavaFX. What it would do with their adaptation in projects?
                • scrollaway 11y ago
                  > How many commercial PyQt apps have you seen in the wild? Not many because most people use Qt, not PyQt. It's just easier.
          • amyjess 11y ago
            > Besides, PySide is porting to Qt5 too. Is there any kind of concrete roadmap on this? All I've heard was basically "yeah, we want to move to Qt5 at some point in the future" back in 2013.
      • JustSomeNobody 11y ago
        I assumed he was just trolling.
• napsterbr 11y ago
  Project Phoenix (http://wiki.wxpython.org/ProjectPhoenix http://wiki.wxpython.org/ProjectPhoenix) seems promising. Have you tried it or do you know its status?
  • Veedrac 11y ago
    IIRC, I recall finding a post claiming it was stable enough for production use. Another post I found just now[1] suggests I am probably on the right lines. [1]: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.wxpython/103221 http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.python.wxpython/103221
• agentultra 11y ago
  There are efforts being made to port Pygame as you mention but there's also the option of not using Pygame. I've written small games and OpenGL demos using PySDL2 and PyOpenGL in Python 3. It works rather well.
• Programmatic 11y ago
  Twisted too: https://twistedmatrix.com/trac/milestone/Python-3.x https://twistedmatrix.com/trac/milestone/Python-3.x Twisted and wxPython are a great combo and will keep me on 2.7 as long as they are not ported.
  • sergiosgc 11y ago
    Isn't twisted largely superseded by asyncio? https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio.html https://docs.python.org/3/library/asyncio.html I had to build a simple LDAP proxy recently, looked at twisted and asyncio and went with asyncio/python3. For that use-case, it was a perfect choice.
• Veedrac 11y ago
  wxPython largely[1] supports Python 3. PyGame has worked on Python 3 for ages. Looking at [2] suggests it's from at least since the start of 2012. [1]: http://wxpython.org/Phoenix/docs/html/classic_vs_phoenix.html http://wxpython.org/Phoenix/docs/html/classic_vs_phoenix.htm... [2]: https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/python-pygame-hg/ https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/python-pygame-hg/
  • joshuapants 11y ago
    Pygame supports Python 3 in development releases. If you try to grab releases from their site they're something like 6 years old.