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I don't care about Mozilla or Firefox. I used to, but not anymore. Two reasons why. First, copying Chrome's UI. Second, forcing Brendan Eich out. These day
by notsony 11y ago
I don't care about Mozilla or Firefox. I used to, but not anymore. Two reasons why.
First, copying Chrome's UI.
Second, forcing Brendan Eich out.
These days Mozilla comes across as a bunch of whiners and activists rather than a technology company. Maybe Rust will be successful but I don't want to be part of an ecosystem where straight talking and free thought is banned. Do you want to submit a pull request and be told not to use gendered pronouns or avoid using certain words because it makes people feel unsafe? That's the kind of world Mozilla occupies.
- staticelf 11y ago> Do you want to submit a pull request and be told not to use gendered pronouns or avoid using certain words because it makes people feel unsafe? Is that really true? Can you give an example of that?
- peteretep 11y ago> avoid using certain words because it makes people feel > unsafe Which words do you think should be appropriate for a non-profit software organization which Mozilla don't think are?
- coldpie 11y agoOf course he can't, because he's talking out his ass.
- notsony 11y agoReferring to Node.js pronoun drama which led to one key developer being virtually "fired" by Joyent and forced out of a project. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6845286
- tdkl 11y agoThis is actually the common thing in tech now, you need to step carefully on eggshells everywhere to avoid someone being butthurt. I miss the Internet around year 2000.
- coldpie 11y agoYes, I remember when we could sling racist, misogynistic, and homophobic slurs around without a thought for the feelings of non-whites, minorities, or an entire half of the world's population. Thanks to those slurs, the world was a better place because, uh... because... er, uh, hm...
- nova 11y agoSo, free speech is great as long as you don't strongly disagree with it.
- coldpie 11y ago"Free speech" does not mean "free from all consequence," and never has.
- nova 11y agoWhat do yo really mean by that? Personally I worry that mere attaching some empty labels to an argument is reason enough justify censoring it.
- coldpie 11y agoI mean that if you choose to use slurs or donate money to hate groups, and are ostracized from a community as a result, then invoking "free speech" is not sufficient defense to be allowed back into that community. Or, in popular comic form: https://xkcd.com/1357/ https://xkcd.com/1357/
- coldpie 11y agoLet's see how you feel about your boss when he donates $10,000 to declare that you are inhuman scum, then refuses to apologize when called on it.
- notsony 11y agoHow do you get from a personal donation to a state-wide proposition, to "inhuman scum"?
- coldpie 11y agoDid you pay attention to the Prop 8 campaigners? They were and remain jaw-droppingly disgusting people. > Early on, Prop 8’s supporters decided to focus their campaign primarily on children, stoking parents’ fears about gay people brainwashing their kids with pro-gay messages or, implicitly, turning their children gay. > Another notorious commercial shows an earnest school administrator fretting that a “new health curriculum” that mentions gay marriage will “mess up” children with reference to “gay attraction.” > In perhaps the most insulting ad, two gay fathers are quizzed about marriage and reproduction by their daughter; the takeaway, of course, is that this faux-family is twisting the mind and morals of their child with perverse ideas about marriage and love. http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/04/04/brendan_eich_supported_prop_8_which_was_worse_than_you_remember.html http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/04/04/brendan_eich_s... (Also it appears I got the donation amount wrong, it was $1,000, not $10,000.)
- BrendanEich 11y agoYou got a lot wrong.
- coldpie 11y agoGo on.
- BrendanEich 11y ago
- DonHopkins 11y agoStop trying to rewrite history. Brendan Eich decided to leave on his own, in spite of the fact that they tried to get him to stay.
- notsony 11y agoNonsense. He was forced out. Forced to resign. How hard is that to understand?
- DonHopkins 11y agoThat's not what Brendan or Mozilla said. Why don't you ask him? Has Brendan Eich or anyone else ever contradicted this: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/05/faq-on-ceo-resignation/ https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/05/faq-on-ceo-resignat... Q: Was Brendan Eich asked to resign by the Board? A: No. It was Brendan’s idea to resign, and in fact, once he submitted his resignation, Board members tried to get Brendan to stay at Mozilla in another C-level role.
- DonHopkins 11y agoBut thanks for the opportunity to correct the misinformation you were spreading. Now please stop repeating things you now know are not true. I doubt Brendan intended for you to stop using Mozilla Firefox to avenge his resignation, which he did voluntarily against the wishes of the board. In fact, I suspect Brendan voluntarily resigned in order to LIMIT the damage he was causing to Mozilla's reputation and user base, which he cares about. So I'd guess he's probably not happy about social injustice warriors boycotting Mozilla on his behalf. Again, I encourage you to seek clarity instead of spreading misinformation: Why don't you ask him?
- notsony 11y agoPlease learn about "constructive dismissal". > In employment law, constructive dismissal, also called constructive discharge or constructive termination, occurs when an employee resigns as a result of the employer creating a hostile work environment. Since the resignation was not truly voluntary, it is in effect a termination.