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While in SV, I couldn't understand the hate towards East Bay: it's fairly priced, close to the 'hub' and not as violent as otherwise portrayed. Could anyone el
by dataker 11y ago
While in SV, I couldn't understand the hate towards East Bay: it's fairly priced, close to the 'hub' and not as violent as otherwise portrayed.
Could anyone elaborate?
- onedev 11y agoEgo.
- danans 11y ago+ Fear of (on average) poorer population, classism, and other *isms encoded in the previous two.
- Obi_Juan_Kenobi 11y agoEast Bay is great. Oakland is starting to look like a decent city. Doesn't mean there aren't real disadvantages, but it's something most people/startups should at least consider.
- Domenic_S 11y agothe East Bay is way bigger than Oakland/Berkeley. Walnut Creek, Pleasant Hill, the Lamorinda area, Danville, Pleasanton -- all very nice, safe towns with good bart access. No startups there though.
- pinaceae 11y agosure there are, a lot focuses on enterprise though. the peoplesoft legacy lives on in various forms over here.
- pinaceae 11y agosure there are, a lot focuses on enterprise though. the peoplesoft legacy lives on in various forms over here.
- pd1 11y agoThose places are pretty far from SF though. Not unbearable, but you're probably looking at >1hr door to door.
- Domenic_S 11y agoThat's the point - you don't have to live in SF or rent office space in SF, you can avoid SF altogether while still having the benefits of the startup scene an hour away.
- mdeeks 11y agoOakland is HUGE. You can't generalize it that much. There are so many sub area in Oakland that range from insanely dangerous and crappy all the way up to incredibly safe and beautiful (Rockridge, Piedmont). Also areas near Oakland like Emeryville are getting much nicer. Unfortunately the prices in these places are also skyrocketing. I started paying $3k/mo for 1400sqft in a not great part of Emeryville last year. The current price for my exact same unit is $3400.
- beatpanda 11y ago90% racism but people will talk in endless circles to avoid admitting it. Also, sssshhhh. Stop with the hype. Ruining one city is enough.
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- Epenthesis 11y agoI always thought a BIG benefit of SoMa is the fact that you can draw employees from East Bay and South Bay (as well as SF itself). On the other hand, a, say, San Mateo -> Oakland commute is pretty much untenable.
- jwilliams 11y agoYup. This is a huge advantage to SoMa. I even hear hesitations around FiDi as it's not easily accessible by Caltrain (let alone Oakland). The Central Subway and new Transbay Terminal might alter this. That said, I don't think the new Transbay will directly link with BART -- will still be a walk, which is a bit of a shame.
- ZanyProgrammer 11y agoOf course the FiDi is accessible by Caltrain-just get off at Momtgomery or Embarcadero. New stereotype of SF tech workers- lazy and class privileged!
- thecage411 11y agoCaltrain doesn't have a stop at Montgomery or Embarcadero. You have to switch to BART before SF, walk, or take one of the muni lines that is slower than walking.
- elsewhen 11y agoi think you are confusing Caltrain and BART. Caltrain doesn't stop at Montgomery or Embarcadero, BART does.
- jtfairbank 11y agoI live in West Oakland and the favorite game is still "fireworks or gunshots". Its a great place to live if you're in your 20s, but I wouldn't want to move my family here. Maybe up by Berkeley is better?
- some-guy 11y agoI have lived in West Oakland and currently live in Adam's Point (both in Oakland's borders) and it feels like an entirely different city.
- jtfairbank 11y agoAh yeah, I can see why! But I'm a cheapo startup founder. My safety for a thousand bucks a month? Sure I'll give it up!
- beatpanda 11y agoHuh, that's funny, because West Oakland is mostly families and they are fighting for their lives to stay in their neighborhood due to pressure from people like you. P.S. if you're scared, move.
- jtfairbank 11y agoNot scared! Most of the families I've talked to around my neighborhood want to move out to a better / safer place. Could just be my specific block though.
- klipt 11y agoEast Bay rents went up ~30% in the last year. So people are moving there, and so the wave of gentrification spreads outwards...