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> I find it hard to really expect an OS upgrade to carry over every user setting True. However that default browser/file extension handlers preferences should

> I find it hard to really expect an OS upgrade to carry over every user setting True. However that default browser/file extension handlers preferences should be a priority to carry forward. It may be easy to set your new default browser, but it's one more thing I have to do to personalize my computer, instead of using my computer to do the tasks at hand. It's a fundamental difference between MSFT and AAPL's philosphy (and why I made the switch a while back). Everytime I upgrade OS X, my settings carry forward, so there is less time spent doing things like setting up my computer, and more time spent using my computer to solve problems that I care about.

wlesieutre 11y ago
> True. However that default browser/file extension handlers preferences should be a priority to carry forward. Especially when you've previously been in antitrust lawsuits over abusing your position as the OS developer to take over the browser market. > It may be easy to set your new default browser, but it's one more thing I have to do to personalize my computer, instead of using my computer to do the tasks at hand. They moved it into the settings app, so this is no longer just "Open Firefox, click 'set as default'" anymore. Changing it in the Settings app is easy for us, but incomprehensible to less proficient users. I understand why they changed that, but it makes forcing Edge as default a huge dick move on MS's part.
- balls187 11y ago
  > but it makes forcing Edge as default a huge dick move on MS's part. I suspect its a far less sinister reasoning for the change.
  - wlesieutre 11y ago
    I don't mean to attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence, I'm just saying it's a huge dick move regardless of whether they did it on purpose. You'd have to ask someone inside MS if you want to know what they were thinking.
- mynameisvlad 11y ago
  > They moved it into the settings app, so this is no longer just "Open Firefox, click 'set as default'" anymore. AFAIK, both ways should still work. The settings app is just a replacement for "Default Apps and Programs" (or something like that) which was in since Windows 7, maybe even Vista. Edit: At least in Chrome, clicking "Make Google Chrome the default browser" opens up the settings app to the correct view, so it's only a matter of selecting the existing browser and choosing Chrome. It's not one click anymore, which kind of sucks, but I wouldn't call it hard, even for an average user.
  - wlesieutre 11y ago
    Nope. The default browser can no longer be changed anywhere but the system preferences, applications can not set themselves as default. Been that way for a couple months in technical preview builds, with even first party software (OneNote desktop vs modern) continuing to ask if you want to set it as default, followed by a system popup telling you to use the Settings app.
    - mynameisvlad 11y ago
      Check out my edit, they seem to have moved from the system popup you talk about to just opening up the Settings app for you to the right UI, so it's not as great as the one click experience that was there before, but not as bad as having you do all the work.
      - wlesieutre 11y ago
        Ah, that's a much better way to handle it than in the previews. Thanks for the heads up!
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wvenable 11y ago
You can upgrade from every version of Windows and it'll still preserve many user settings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOzkNtnaS04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOzkNtnaS04 So there clearly isn't a difference in philosophy. In fact, Apple is far more ready to make your past software investment invalid.
- balls187 11y ago
  Well, except not with Window 10, and for the browser--a keyy application for most people. You now have to go and mess with it before you can get on with your day.
  - wvenable 11y ago
    Oh yeah, I agree. I just found the dig at Microsoft vs. Apple a bit disingenuous since Apple's biggest platform doesn't even let you change your browser at all.
    - balls187 11y ago
      Yeah, wasn't trying to dig at MSFT. Just giving reason why I switched from a PC to a Mac--in part because of frustratingly having to "manage" my computer, rather than using it as a tool to accomplish goals. There is no denying that Apple is a closed ecosystem.
      - wvenable 11y ago
        I find the lack of customization in Apple products an exercise in frustration anytime I want to accomplish a goal. I don't think there is a fundamental difference in the platforms that you seem to think; they both have benefits and flaws depending on one's workflow. The question here is whether or not Windows 10 is another category altogether.

wlesieutre 11y ago

> True. However that default browser/file extension handlers preferences should be a priority to carry forward. Especially when you've previously been in antitrust lawsuits over abusing your position as the OS developer to take over the browser market. > It may be easy to set your new default browser, but it's one more thing I have to do to personalize my computer, instead of using my computer to do the tasks at hand. They moved it into the settings app, so this is no longer just "Open Firefox, click 'set as default'" anymore. Changing it in the Settings app is easy for us, but incomprehensible to less proficient users. I understand why they changed that, but it makes forcing Edge as default a huge dick move on MS's part.

balls187 11y ago
> but it makes forcing Edge as default a huge dick move on MS's part. I suspect its a far less sinister reasoning for the change.
- wlesieutre 11y ago
  I don't mean to attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence, I'm just saying it's a huge dick move regardless of whether they did it on purpose. You'd have to ask someone inside MS if you want to know what they were thinking.
mynameisvlad 11y ago
> They moved it into the settings app, so this is no longer just "Open Firefox, click 'set as default'" anymore. AFAIK, both ways should still work. The settings app is just a replacement for "Default Apps and Programs" (or something like that) which was in since Windows 7, maybe even Vista. Edit: At least in Chrome, clicking "Make Google Chrome the default browser" opens up the settings app to the correct view, so it's only a matter of selecting the existing browser and choosing Chrome. It's not one click anymore, which kind of sucks, but I wouldn't call it hard, even for an average user.
- wlesieutre 11y ago
  Nope. The default browser can no longer be changed anywhere but the system preferences, applications can not set themselves as default. Been that way for a couple months in technical preview builds, with even first party software (OneNote desktop vs modern) continuing to ask if you want to set it as default, followed by a system popup telling you to use the Settings app.
  - mynameisvlad 11y ago
    Check out my edit, they seem to have moved from the system popup you talk about to just opening up the Settings app for you to the right UI, so it's not as great as the one click experience that was there before, but not as bad as having you do all the work.
    - wlesieutre 11y ago
      Ah, that's a much better way to handle it than in the previews. Thanks for the heads up!
    - deleted 11y ago
      [deleted]

wvenable 11y ago

You can upgrade from every version of Windows and it'll still preserve many user settings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOzkNtnaS04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOzkNtnaS04 So there clearly isn't a difference in philosophy. In fact, Apple is far more ready to make your past software investment invalid.

balls187 11y ago
Well, except not with Window 10, and for the browser--a keyy application for most people. You now have to go and mess with it before you can get on with your day.
- wvenable 11y ago
  Oh yeah, I agree. I just found the dig at Microsoft vs. Apple a bit disingenuous since Apple's biggest platform doesn't even let you change your browser at all.
  - balls187 11y ago
    Yeah, wasn't trying to dig at MSFT. Just giving reason why I switched from a PC to a Mac--in part because of frustratingly having to "manage" my computer, rather than using it as a tool to accomplish goals. There is no denying that Apple is a closed ecosystem.
    - wvenable 11y ago
      I find the lack of customization in Apple products an exercise in frustration anytime I want to accomplish a goal. I don't think there is a fundamental difference in the platforms that you seem to think; they both have benefits and flaws depending on one's workflow. The question here is whether or not Windows 10 is another category altogether.