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I think you're reading way too much into all of that, attempting to make a mountain out of a molehill just to prove an imaginary point.

by urda 11y ago

cptskippy 11y ago
What imaginary point are you referring to?
- urda 11y ago
  > Their policy states they don't collect personal information or conversation history but that doesn't mean they aren't capturing corrections or things they deem to be non-personal but sound pretty personal to me > Their policy states ... but that doesn't mean they aren't capturing corrections or things they deem to be non-personal but sound pretty personal to me > sound pretty personal to me It's pretty clear actually. What you may think about situation may have zero factual grounding. You'll need to provide some citations and references instead of just saying what you think or feel the situation may be.
  - cptskippy 11y ago
    You're wrong though about it having zero factual grounding. They collect data, like everyone else, this is a fact. They state that openly in their privacy policy, they even go so far as to define what they consider personal vs non-personal information. We also know that that Siri collects and transmits a bunch of this "non-personal" information to a 3rd party for analysis. On their QuickType page they say "your conversation data is kept only on your device, so it’s always private." That's a lie because iMessage and your keyboard Dictionary are synced to iCloud which isn't your device. That doesn't mean that it's in Apples hands or they can access it but it's not a factually true statement either. They're also careful to say "conversation data" and not something more general like "anything you input into your keyboard". I'm not suggesting Apple does anything more invasive than anyone, I'm just suggesting they don't do anything less based on what's observed.
    - tdkl 11y ago
      > That's a lie because iMessage and your keyboard Dictionary are synced to iCloud which isn't your device. Is it opt-in or opt-out ? Because I use iCloud for Safari bookmark sync only and it never bugged me for syncing anything. Local iTunes encrypted backup is fine.
      - cptskippy 11y ago
        I couldn't find anything about the dictionary, admittedly I didn't look very hard, but iMessage is opt-in.

I think you're reading way too much into all of that, attempting to make a mountain out of a molehill just to prove an imaginary point.

by urda 11y ago

I think you're reading way too much into all of that, attempting to make a mountain out of a molehill just to prove an imaginary point.

cptskippy 11y ago

What imaginary point are you referring to?

urda 11y ago
> Their policy states they don't collect personal information or conversation history but that doesn't mean they aren't capturing corrections or things they deem to be non-personal but sound pretty personal to me > Their policy states ... but that doesn't mean they aren't capturing corrections or things they deem to be non-personal but sound pretty personal to me > sound pretty personal to me It's pretty clear actually. What you may think about situation may have zero factual grounding. You'll need to provide some citations and references instead of just saying what you think or feel the situation may be.
- cptskippy 11y ago
  You're wrong though about it having zero factual grounding. They collect data, like everyone else, this is a fact. They state that openly in their privacy policy, they even go so far as to define what they consider personal vs non-personal information. We also know that that Siri collects and transmits a bunch of this "non-personal" information to a 3rd party for analysis. On their QuickType page they say "your conversation data is kept only on your device, so it’s always private." That's a lie because iMessage and your keyboard Dictionary are synced to iCloud which isn't your device. That doesn't mean that it's in Apples hands or they can access it but it's not a factually true statement either. They're also careful to say "conversation data" and not something more general like "anything you input into your keyboard". I'm not suggesting Apple does anything more invasive than anyone, I'm just suggesting they don't do anything less based on what's observed.
  - tdkl 11y ago
    > That's a lie because iMessage and your keyboard Dictionary are synced to iCloud which isn't your device. Is it opt-in or opt-out ? Because I use iCloud for Safari bookmark sync only and it never bugged me for syncing anything. Local iTunes encrypted backup is fine.
    - cptskippy 11y ago
      I couldn't find anything about the dictionary, admittedly I didn't look very hard, but iMessage is opt-in.