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It's well known in the UK and in that article that he ~ambiguously~ mumbled the word "tigger" in a nursery rhyme.
by abstractbeliefs 11y ago
It's well known in the UK and in that article that he ~ambiguously~ mumbled the word "tigger" in a nursery rhyme.
- stephenr 11y agoI'm not sure how a guy saying something that offends some people once, is "a persistent racial slur"?
- DanBC 11y agoAnd there's the stuff about "slopes". And the stuff about gypsies. And the stuff about Mexicans. And all the other stuff. http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/here-are-all-the-nonracist-things-jeremy-clarkson-has-said--l14ffimcfe http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/here-are-all-the-nonra... http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/jeremy-clarkson-does-not-see-a-problem-with-his-racist-language-on-top-gear-says-bbc-9683097.html http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/jere... Here's a useful Graniad opinion piece about Clarkson: http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/08/not-enough-for-jeremy-clarkson-to-say-not-racist http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/08/not-eno... It's a persistent pattern. Whether that should affect what he's allowed to publish is another matter, but it's probably wrong to say he isn't overtly racist. Some people say "it's just a joke" - fair enough. Here's Stewart Lee responding much better than I can. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7CnMQ4L9Pc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7CnMQ4L9Pc
- omonra 11y agoThanks for the links. The more I read from this guy, the more I like him. It's sort of a fine balance - we can't have everybody on tv making fun of gypsies and mexicans. On the other hand it feels too sterile when nobody can say what 90% of the people think. I'm glad he exists.
- yokohama11 11y agoHe makes comments about every group, I've seen no persistent bias against any group (aside from politicians who make it less fun to drive). And he certainly doesn't exclude himself/his own type, as there's something negative about the UK practically 30 seconds. As for "it's just a joke", yes, it is. Pretty much every successful comedian uses ethnicity/race sometimes. Bad ones rely on it entirely (Ex: Carlos Mencia). But as something that should be off limits for humor? No.
- foldr 11y agoAny instances of Clarkson making offensive comments about white people? Also, when all the presenters are white, it's a little hard to take this "we make fun of everyone" line seriously. If a white British person makes fun of white British people, that's obviously a different dynamic to a white British person making fun of people lower down the social pecking order. Oh, and then outside the show, there's the times Clarkson has explicitly advocated racism: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9247835/Jeremy-Clarkson-claims-airport-delays-could-be-solved-with-a-bit-of-racism.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/immigration/9247835/J...
- wesomefolks 11y ago> Any instances of Clarkson making offensive comments about white people? The whole mainstream media makes offensive comments about white people, how they are responsible for slavery, how they are all racists, how they are incompetent husbands, aloof fathers, conspiracy theorists, the list goes on. But god forbid white people are allowed to watch another white guy crack a few jokes at other races. > that's obviously a different dynamic to a white British person making fun of people lower down the social pecking order. That's racist. Wow. True racism right here. Excuse me? So you really think there are groups of people, I assume ethnic groups, who are "lower down the social pecking order"? That is unadultered racism - the belief that another ethnic group is inferior to your ethnic group in anyway. I have no problem with any word being used by any comedian, but if they ever said "I think black people are lower down in the social pecking order" then that would be a truly unambiguous racist statement.
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- abstractbeliefs 11y agoI nominally agree that I don't think this says much about Amazon, and that Clarkson probably isn't an out and out bigot. His does have a fairly significant track record of controversy that makes it easy to paint him as such though: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Clarkson#Controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremy_Clarkson#Controversy
- abalos 11y agoOne thing people have to remember about Clarkson is that he grew up in an entirely different generation. It's not an excuse, but it's plausible that the man simply messed up. In the unfortunate era he was brought up in, the word wasn't tigger. EDIT: Also, not saying he's not a total arse sometimes. Just saying that I think in this particular scenario he got kind of shafted.
- rjsw 11y agoClarkson isn't that old.
- nailer 11y agoClarkson made an allusion to the racism in the original rhyme by mumbling something vague, and then got punished by people who didn't distinguish the difference between referring to racism and actual racism. The 'slopes' thing was racist though.
- ablation 11y agoOther people his age seem to manage just fine not saying racist comments. Why is he an exception?