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If you spent some time editing Wikipedia in a serious way, you would notice how a high % of the regular editors/admins are more than obviously affected by a wid

by mahouse 11y ago

If you spent some time editing Wikipedia in a serious way, you would notice how a high % of the regular editors/admins are more than obviously affected by a wide spectrum of mental problems. Although I guess this topic is a taboo because of how the society has been trying lately to “normalise” mental illnesses.

anc84 11y ago
It is the same in many other contribution run online communities. It can be a fantastic content & quality fuel to have people obsessed with a topic. I hope that does not sound exploitative though.
DanBC 11y ago
It's a little bit frustrating that you describe behaviour you don't like as either mental illness or neuro-diversity. Sometimes an asshole is just an asshole.
- rangibaby 11y ago
  I agree with you, but after the whole retard business yesterday, calling people assholes doesn't seem right. It's kind of like saying "sometimes people are just retarded".
- mahouse 11y ago
  "Neuro-diversity" just means "mental illness". And I don't believe there are many assholes around. Most people that act like assholes regularly are just affected by some illness, even if it's only a depression. Nobody wants to be an asshole, believe me.
  - DanBC 11y ago
    Hang on: Autism is not a mental illness! > And I don't believe there are many assholes around. okay, I don't have any research so I'll accept this for a moment. > Most people that act like assholes regularly are just affected by some illness, even if it's only a depression. Neither of us have any research, so I wonder how strongly you feel that? And maybe if you swap "depression" for "stress" I guess I'll agree. > Nobody wants to be an asshole, believe me Wait what? Plenty of people who don't have anything like a diagnosable mental illness enjoy being assholes just because. I guess we're disagreeing about definitions of asshole and mental illness here though.
    - mahouse 11y ago
      > Hang on: Autism is not a mental illness! "A serious developmental disorder that impairs the ability to communicate and interact." Would you not call that an illness? > Neither of us have any research, so I wonder how strongly you feel that? I feel it very strongly, as someone who has been affected by it. > And maybe if you swap "depression" for "stress" I guess I'll agree. I agree on that too. > Wait what? Plenty of people who don't have anything like a diagnosable mental illness enjoy being assholes just because. I guess we're disagreeing about definitions of asshole and mental illness here though. I don't believe in that. Someone who is a chronical asshole is probably depressed, stressed, an autist, a psychopath, etc.
      - DanBC 11y ago
        I'd call it an illness, but it's not a mental illness. It's a developmental disorder.
      - pmelendez 11y ago
        >"A serious developmental disorder that impairs the ability to communicate and interact." Would you not call that an illness? First that is not an appropiated definition that would cover the whole spectrum. It is not "serious" for people with High Functional Autism (Umbrella term that covers deprecated labels as Aspergers, PDDNOS, etc). Second, "Illness" is not the preferred term in this case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease#Concepts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease#Concepts "(Medical condition) As it is more value-neutral than terms like disease, the term medical condition is sometimes preferred by people with health issues that they do not consider deleterious. On the other hand, by emphasizing the medical nature of the condition, this term is sometimes rejected, such as by proponents of the autism rights movement."
    - viewer5 11y ago
      > Hang on: Autism is not a mental illness! Serious question: what do you mean?
      - DanBC 11y ago
  - Retra 11y ago
    Disease, illness, and disorder are not completely interchangeable concepts.
  - smsm42 11y ago
    "Illness" usually meant to be interpreted as deviation from norm. However, while definition of norm in some subjects can be relatively easy - e.g. it is a norm for people to have two eyes, two hands with five fingers on each, one head, one nose, etc. - for things as complex and varied as mental processes I'm not sure how you define what the norm is. Even specialists' views on the matter - like those who compile the DSM - seem to be changing with time, and you are obviously pretty unhappy with that change. So what is your definition which you consider to be better?

by mahouse 11y ago

anc84 11y ago

It is the same in many other contribution run online communities. It can be a fantastic content & quality fuel to have people obsessed with a topic. I hope that does not sound exploitative though.

DanBC 11y ago

It's a little bit frustrating that you describe behaviour you don't like as either mental illness or neuro-diversity. Sometimes an asshole is just an asshole.

rangibaby 11y ago
I agree with you, but after the whole retard business yesterday, calling people assholes doesn't seem right. It's kind of like saying "sometimes people are just retarded".
mahouse 11y ago
"Neuro-diversity" just means "mental illness". And I don't believe there are many assholes around. Most people that act like assholes regularly are just affected by some illness, even if it's only a depression. Nobody wants to be an asshole, believe me.
- DanBC 11y ago
  Hang on: Autism is not a mental illness! > And I don't believe there are many assholes around. okay, I don't have any research so I'll accept this for a moment. > Most people that act like assholes regularly are just affected by some illness, even if it's only a depression. Neither of us have any research, so I wonder how strongly you feel that? And maybe if you swap "depression" for "stress" I guess I'll agree. > Nobody wants to be an asshole, believe me Wait what? Plenty of people who don't have anything like a diagnosable mental illness enjoy being assholes just because. I guess we're disagreeing about definitions of asshole and mental illness here though.
  - mahouse 11y ago
    > Hang on: Autism is not a mental illness! "A serious developmental disorder that impairs the ability to communicate and interact." Would you not call that an illness? > Neither of us have any research, so I wonder how strongly you feel that? I feel it very strongly, as someone who has been affected by it. > And maybe if you swap "depression" for "stress" I guess I'll agree. I agree on that too. > Wait what? Plenty of people who don't have anything like a diagnosable mental illness enjoy being assholes just because. I guess we're disagreeing about definitions of asshole and mental illness here though. I don't believe in that. Someone who is a chronical asshole is probably depressed, stressed, an autist, a psychopath, etc.
    - DanBC 11y ago
      I'd call it an illness, but it's not a mental illness. It's a developmental disorder.
    - pmelendez 11y ago
      >"A serious developmental disorder that impairs the ability to communicate and interact." Would you not call that an illness? First that is not an appropiated definition that would cover the whole spectrum. It is not "serious" for people with High Functional Autism (Umbrella term that covers deprecated labels as Aspergers, PDDNOS, etc). Second, "Illness" is not the preferred term in this case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease#Concepts https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease#Concepts "(Medical condition) As it is more value-neutral than terms like disease, the term medical condition is sometimes preferred by people with health issues that they do not consider deleterious. On the other hand, by emphasizing the medical nature of the condition, this term is sometimes rejected, such as by proponents of the autism rights movement."
  - viewer5 11y ago
    > Hang on: Autism is not a mental illness! Serious question: what do you mean?
    - DanBC 11y ago
- Retra 11y ago
  Disease, illness, and disorder are not completely interchangeable concepts.
- smsm42 11y ago
  "Illness" usually meant to be interpreted as deviation from norm. However, while definition of norm in some subjects can be relatively easy - e.g. it is a norm for people to have two eyes, two hands with five fingers on each, one head, one nose, etc. - for things as complex and varied as mental processes I'm not sure how you define what the norm is. Even specialists' views on the matter - like those who compile the DSM - seem to be changing with time, and you are obviously pretty unhappy with that change. So what is your definition which you consider to be better?