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The problem is it's not the business of GH to take a political side - but with arbitrary censorship - you end up having to. If you make a satire of feminism (C

by anon3_ 11y ago

The problem is it's not the business of GH to take a political side - but with arbitrary censorship - you end up having to. If you make a satire of feminism (C+=, ToleranUX) you get banned. It's ok to harass https://github.com/freebsdgirl/ggautoblocker/blob/master/sourcelist.txt https://github.com/freebsdgirl/ggautoblocker/blob/master/sou... in the open, because it's a girl running the project.

anonymousab 11y ago
I think automatically terminating downstream forks from the 'problem' without contact and taking several days to respond to support emails is more concerning. Companies imposing their morality on their customers isn't really unexpected nor surprising. But the way in which they went about this seemed exceptionally sloppy.
- anon3_ 11y ago
  > I think automatically terminating downstream forks from the 'problem' without contact and taking several days to respond to support emails is more concerning. They are safe harbors for them, they shouldn't be playing priest / police period. If you look up GGAutoBlocker's author, she claims to be an anti-harassment advocate, yet the first two pages of her on Google are about her meth addiction and her provoking fights with people she doesn't know. BTW, I never heard of this lady until she linked my HN profile on twitter. https://twitter.com/randileeharper/status/613273053930229760 https://twitter.com/randileeharper/status/613273053930229760 It's none of their business for their moderators to impose their politics.
tzs 11y ago
Be careful when you talk about that blocker. Roberto Rosario criticized it, calling it's algorithm the most idiotic algorithm he's seen in 29 years of programming. He later apologized for that wording, but said he still disagrees with the algorithm. This, and a tweet where he said that while he takes no stance on #gamergate, as Chairman of IDGA Puerto Rico he has to denounce someone who said everybody who is pro #gamergate should be sent to Nazi gas chambers, got him labeled a harasser, and a leader of gamergate. In the 9 months since then, he and his family have been harassed. Much of that is linked to in the discussion here [1]. He has since been forced to stepped down as Chair of the Python Cuba working group due to the harassers contacting his employer and his employers clients [2]. [1] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-cuba/2015-June/000071.html https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-cuba/2015-June/0000... [2] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-cuba/2015-July/000106.html https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-cuba/2015-July/0001...
- anon3_ 11y ago
  I never heard of that! Here is the secondary problem - GitHub sides with these people called Social Justice Warriors. Basically, if you make a bad joke on Twitter, or say something that gaming journalists are shills - they harass your employers and ruin your life. GitHub supports and protects these people. They will censor anyone with an opinion that doesn't speak glowingly of their politics. Make a joke about feminists? Your repo gets shuts down. A user makes a joke about cross-dressing on twitter? SJW's find him on twitter, look up his repository and harass his issues until he concedes to merging a code of conduct. The people didn't even use his software. This is like persecution. I don't care what people do behind close doors - but I don't like the idea of being guilt-tripped to show enthusiasm about any political idea. That's not professional or what open source is about.
  - nindalf 11y ago
    One correction there. The SJWs found the person on Twitter, looked up the project he contributed to and demanded that he be removed as a contributor
    - anon3_ 11y ago
      What in that is different, I didn't know they wanted to remove him. You can't really do that. And if you did as an outsider you'd be laughed out. By the way, the project was Opal, I can't find the issue in question to see. Do you have it?
- chazu 11y ago
  I wish more people knew the details surrounding this - its a clear case of bullying masquerading as social justice, and it couldn't have happened to a nicer person.
- tptacek 11y ago
  This sounded like an unusually cut-and-dry case, which is unusual for, like, the world we actually live in, so I dug in further and read this dude's tweet stream back through 2014. I'm surprised at how much nuance you left out, since you're someone I bucket as a "nuance junkie". * Rosario wasn't criticizing the implementation of the block list but rather the policies it was based on; in particular, he was upset that he'd been added based on his use of the #gamergate tag. * A reasonable person reading that tweet stream could easily come to the conclusion that Rosario was a GamerGate person; he used the tag consistently and, in every case I saw, positively. I take no position (here) on the implications of supporting GamerGate, but do object to the paragraph you wrote suggesting Rosario should have been surprised to see himself associated with them. * In response to being added to the blocklist, he escalated, threatening to resign from IDGA unless they repudiated his inclusion on the blocklist. A reasonable person can argue that his response to the blocklist made this about his role at IDGA. Not that it matters, but by way of bona fides: I'm not a fan of Harper and I think her block list, like every other block list created in the history of humanity, has stopped being about principle and become an instrument of factional politics. On the other hand, having a temper tantrum about being included on a Twitter blacklist seems to me like not a particularly good use of time and energy, and I think less of people who are vocally upset about Harper's blocklist.

by anon3_ 11y ago

anonymousab 11y ago

I think automatically terminating downstream forks from the 'problem' without contact and taking several days to respond to support emails is more concerning. Companies imposing their morality on their customers isn't really unexpected nor surprising. But the way in which they went about this seemed exceptionally sloppy.

anon3_ 11y ago
> I think automatically terminating downstream forks from the 'problem' without contact and taking several days to respond to support emails is more concerning. They are safe harbors for them, they shouldn't be playing priest / police period. If you look up GGAutoBlocker's author, she claims to be an anti-harassment advocate, yet the first two pages of her on Google are about her meth addiction and her provoking fights with people she doesn't know. BTW, I never heard of this lady until she linked my HN profile on twitter. https://twitter.com/randileeharper/status/613273053930229760 https://twitter.com/randileeharper/status/613273053930229760 It's none of their business for their moderators to impose their politics.

tzs 11y ago

Be careful when you talk about that blocker. Roberto Rosario criticized it, calling it's algorithm the most idiotic algorithm he's seen in 29 years of programming. He later apologized for that wording, but said he still disagrees with the algorithm. This, and a tweet where he said that while he takes no stance on #gamergate, as Chairman of IDGA Puerto Rico he has to denounce someone who said everybody who is pro #gamergate should be sent to Nazi gas chambers, got him labeled a harasser, and a leader of gamergate. In the 9 months since then, he and his family have been harassed. Much of that is linked to in the discussion here [1]. He has since been forced to stepped down as Chair of the Python Cuba working group due to the harassers contacting his employer and his employers clients [2]. [1] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-cuba/2015-June/000071.html https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-cuba/2015-June/0000... [2] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-cuba/2015-July/000106.html https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-cuba/2015-July/0001...

anon3_ 11y ago
I never heard of that! Here is the secondary problem - GitHub sides with these people called Social Justice Warriors. Basically, if you make a bad joke on Twitter, or say something that gaming journalists are shills - they harass your employers and ruin your life. GitHub supports and protects these people. They will censor anyone with an opinion that doesn't speak glowingly of their politics. Make a joke about feminists? Your repo gets shuts down. A user makes a joke about cross-dressing on twitter? SJW's find him on twitter, look up his repository and harass his issues until he concedes to merging a code of conduct. The people didn't even use his software. This is like persecution. I don't care what people do behind close doors - but I don't like the idea of being guilt-tripped to show enthusiasm about any political idea. That's not professional or what open source is about.
- nindalf 11y ago
  One correction there. The SJWs found the person on Twitter, looked up the project he contributed to and demanded that he be removed as a contributor
  - anon3_ 11y ago
    What in that is different, I didn't know they wanted to remove him. You can't really do that. And if you did as an outsider you'd be laughed out. By the way, the project was Opal, I can't find the issue in question to see. Do you have it?
chazu 11y ago
I wish more people knew the details surrounding this - its a clear case of bullying masquerading as social justice, and it couldn't have happened to a nicer person.
tptacek 11y ago
This sounded like an unusually cut-and-dry case, which is unusual for, like, the world we actually live in, so I dug in further and read this dude's tweet stream back through 2014. I'm surprised at how much nuance you left out, since you're someone I bucket as a "nuance junkie". * Rosario wasn't criticizing the implementation of the block list but rather the policies it was based on; in particular, he was upset that he'd been added based on his use of the #gamergate tag. * A reasonable person reading that tweet stream could easily come to the conclusion that Rosario was a GamerGate person; he used the tag consistently and, in every case I saw, positively. I take no position (here) on the implications of supporting GamerGate, but do object to the paragraph you wrote suggesting Rosario should have been surprised to see himself associated with them. * In response to being added to the blocklist, he escalated, threatening to resign from IDGA unless they repudiated his inclusion on the blocklist. A reasonable person can argue that his response to the blocklist made this about his role at IDGA. Not that it matters, but by way of bona fides: I'm not a fan of Harper and I think her block list, like every other block list created in the history of humanity, has stopped being about principle and become an instrument of factional politics. On the other hand, having a temper tantrum about being included on a Twitter blacklist seems to me like not a particularly good use of time and energy, and I think less of people who are vocally upset about Harper's blocklist.