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> highly-paid and you're saying BI wouldn't help with that? > highly educated engineers how do you think they got there? by being forced to be a wage slave,

> highly-paid and you're saying BI wouldn't help with that? > highly educated engineers how do you think they got there? by being forced to be a wage slave, working long hours to come home completely burned out every night?

joshuapants 11y ago
> and you're saying BI wouldn't help with that? I think someone only earning BI probably wouldn't have the resources or motivation to do Bell Labs-style research. > how do you think they got there? by being forced to be a wage slave, working long hours to come home completely burned out every night? Unless you're implying that all of a sudden with the help of basic income, people's interests and preferences will change and result in a glut of engineering talent I don't see how it's at all relevant.
- chockablock 11y ago
  I don't read teddyh as saying that BI would lead to a boon in engineering research in particular. Rather, the example of the OP suggests that monetary incentives and short-term performance monitoring are not the only way (or even a good way) to encourage creative, productive work.
- pikachu_is_cool 11y ago
  > I think someone only earning BI probably wouldn't have the resources or motivation to do Bell Labs-style research. It's sure as hell better than earning $0, being forced to work some shit job 60 hrs a week at a SV startup providing SaaS full of proprietary software that will circle the drain in a few years, receiving money from a VC that truly doesn't give a shit about the greater good. Instead said person could work 15hrs at that shit startup to live more comfortably, and spend the rest of their time working on ffmpeg or something. It doesn't have to always be Bell Labs tier. > Unless you're implying that all of a sudden with the help of basic income, people's interests and preferences will change and result in a glut of engineering talent I don't see how it's at all relevant. With BI many people will no longer be tied down to the rat race and will actually be able to work on themselves. It has nothing to do with interests and preferences. Time is money.

joshuapants 11y ago

> and you're saying BI wouldn't help with that? I think someone only earning BI probably wouldn't have the resources or motivation to do Bell Labs-style research. > how do you think they got there? by being forced to be a wage slave, working long hours to come home completely burned out every night? Unless you're implying that all of a sudden with the help of basic income, people's interests and preferences will change and result in a glut of engineering talent I don't see how it's at all relevant.

chockablock 11y ago
I don't read teddyh as saying that BI would lead to a boon in engineering research in particular. Rather, the example of the OP suggests that monetary incentives and short-term performance monitoring are not the only way (or even a good way) to encourage creative, productive work.
pikachu_is_cool 11y ago
> I think someone only earning BI probably wouldn't have the resources or motivation to do Bell Labs-style research. It's sure as hell better than earning $0, being forced to work some shit job 60 hrs a week at a SV startup providing SaaS full of proprietary software that will circle the drain in a few years, receiving money from a VC that truly doesn't give a shit about the greater good. Instead said person could work 15hrs at that shit startup to live more comfortably, and spend the rest of their time working on ffmpeg or something. It doesn't have to always be Bell Labs tier. > Unless you're implying that all of a sudden with the help of basic income, people's interests and preferences will change and result in a glut of engineering talent I don't see how it's at all relevant. With BI many people will no longer be tied down to the rat race and will actually be able to work on themselves. It has nothing to do with interests and preferences. Time is money.