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On Windows 10 you can opt-out as well. In fact, using Microsoft account is an opt-in while installing. You can just make a local account and certain features wo

by arihant 11y ago

On Windows 10 you can opt-out as well. In fact, using Microsoft account is an opt-in while installing. You can just make a local account and certain features would be off by default. If you try to access them it will remind you that you need an MS account to access them. The fundamental problem with this privacy policy is the scary wording. When Gmail first came out, Google was (probably) the first company to read emails to figure out ads. But they enforced the not-touched-by-human-handsiness claim hard throughout. MS, on the other hand, not only says it will collect data but again and again mentions "disclose when necessary." There are too many uses of "disclose." It almost sounds like they will just hand over data without much conviction.

arien 11y ago
I went to the Privacy statement [0], to the "Reasons we share your data" (click on Learn More) and it does not sound scary at all (it' pretty much the same as any internet company that holds customer data). It's very clearly worded and I know exactly how/why my data will be used, so I can decide if I want to go ahead or if I don't. [0] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.asp... There's also a Data Retention section further down that specifies how long your data is in their servers. edit: In the top section (Personal Data we collect) it also says: "You have choices about the data we collect. When you are asked to provide personal data, you may decline. But if you choose not to provide data that is necessary to provide a service, you may not be able to use some features or services."
irq-1 11y ago
> On Windows 10 you can opt-out as well. Few IT departments will allow opting-out -- it'll be part of how your work computer is setup, and part of your job to use it.
- unprepare 11y ago
  Surely those same IT departments expect you to keep your personal data on your personal machine :)

by arihant 11y ago

arien 11y ago

I went to the Privacy statement [0], to the "Reasons we share your data" (click on Learn More) and it does not sound scary at all (it' pretty much the same as any internet company that holds customer data). It's very clearly worded and I know exactly how/why my data will be used, so I can decide if I want to go ahead or if I don't. [0] https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.aspx https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/default.asp... There's also a Data Retention section further down that specifies how long your data is in their servers. edit: In the top section (Personal Data we collect) it also says: "You have choices about the data we collect. When you are asked to provide personal data, you may decline. But if you choose not to provide data that is necessary to provide a service, you may not be able to use some features or services."

irq-1 11y ago

> On Windows 10 you can opt-out as well. Few IT departments will allow opting-out -- it'll be part of how your work computer is setup, and part of your job to use it.

unprepare 11y ago
Surely those same IT departments expect you to keep your personal data on your personal machine :)