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Note that the upgrade will remove your Windows built-in DVD player. Windows 8.1 had no built in DVD player. Nor did Windows 7 Starter or Basic. Further, I susp

Note that the upgrade will remove your Windows built-in DVD player. Windows 8.1 had no built in DVD player. Nor did Windows 7 Starter or Basic. Further, I suspect it's a feature that the vast majority of people have never used, exactly why Microsoft decided that they wouldn't subsidize the licensing for no reason. This is a very 2002 discussion. Not that your point isn't valid -- at least for those users who ever actually tried playing a video DVD, and who had a supporting version of Windows -- it's just pretty odd that such a comment sits at the very top of an enormous technology event. The Tesla doesn't come with a holder for my buggy whip.

thachmai 11y ago
> it's just pretty odd that such a comment sits at the very top of an enormous technology event. Tech people like you and me love to nitpick. It's quite "logical", measurable, and it generalizes complex issues into nicely formatted bullet points.
acqq 11y ago
> it's just pretty odd that such a comment sits at the very top of an enormous technology event. What you call "an enormous technology event" I call a disaster, showing perfect "we don't care for the current users" attitude, even after the public demonstrated what it thinks about the "improvements" in Windows 8. The commenters here rightly point that the returned Start menu is even worse than it was during the tech preview. And I have actually paid for my copies of Ultimate and Pro with Media Center versions and I actually need the features I note are now quietly removed. It's your right that you don't need them, but I do need them and the people who consider installing 10 should know about it too.
- inversionOf 11y ago
  Okay, so I hope others see your real motives. Don't upgrade. You paid $0 for Windows 10, had absolutely no expectations about it when you apparently bought Windows 7, and now it's a "disaster" because an unused feature was openly and clearly removed. Give me a break. This sort of "take a shit on everything" attitude is one of the worst facets of HN, and your comments in particular exemplify them. Don't upgrade. Move on.
  - cwyers 11y ago
    Or upgrade and download VLC.
    - Someone1234 11y ago
      VLC, in my experience, plays 90%+ of DVDs perfectly (actually better, since now everything is skippable and you get significantly more rendering options than any other player). The few DVDs which malfunction are typically published by Disney in the last few years and contain DRM specifically designed to break unlicensed players. VLC have been very active in fixing these issues, and have in many cases. But if people plan on using VLC just be aware that the rare DVD won't work well or at all. Still the best DVD playing software I've used, including paid software.
  - acqq 11y ago
    Says the account created 4 days ago in his 4th comment on the site. Hello Microsoft puppet? It's still a disaster for me because of what was once called Metro. It's my own opinion, you can like it, no problem.
    - brianwawok 11y ago
      Something is a disaster because you don't like it?
    - Sumaso 11y ago
      Your crazy man. Don't upgrade to 10 and keep your old functionality. inversionOf is making some valid points here, there is no need to attack him.
      - cryowaffle 11y ago
        Really though, he does seem like a marketing puppet... I have to say the title of this posting is pretty suspect when combined with the account creation date. Edit: Ohh, green means new it doesn't mean poster. Well, who cares.
ironoxide859 11y ago
As a user I have issues with Windows removing a built-in DVD player. I'm one of those dinosaurs who still watches his DVDs from his laptop. It was news to me and I appreciate that it was at the top.
- t0mbstone 11y ago
  But that's just the thing. They didn't remove it. I have literally never been able to play DVDs in Windows without installing third party codecs or programs.
  - acqq 11y ago
    All the DVDs I've bought which were marked as protected I've played on more legally bought Windows 7 and 8 computers without the 3rd party programs.
  - ironoxide859 11y ago
    I've never had an issue playing on Windows 7 Media Player out of the box (I skipped 8 and 8.1 chaos).
anoncow 11y ago
"Windows 8 with Media Center" did contain DVD playing capability.
- LMAlVvQjSGj 11y ago
  The Media Center addition was given to early adopters of Windows 8 for free.

thachmai 11y ago

> it's just pretty odd that such a comment sits at the very top of an enormous technology event. Tech people like you and me love to nitpick. It's quite "logical", measurable, and it generalizes complex issues into nicely formatted bullet points.

acqq 11y ago

> it's just pretty odd that such a comment sits at the very top of an enormous technology event. What you call "an enormous technology event" I call a disaster, showing perfect "we don't care for the current users" attitude, even after the public demonstrated what it thinks about the "improvements" in Windows 8. The commenters here rightly point that the returned Start menu is even worse than it was during the tech preview. And I have actually paid for my copies of Ultimate and Pro with Media Center versions and I actually need the features I note are now quietly removed. It's your right that you don't need them, but I do need them and the people who consider installing 10 should know about it too.

inversionOf 11y ago
Okay, so I hope others see your real motives. Don't upgrade. You paid $0 for Windows 10, had absolutely no expectations about it when you apparently bought Windows 7, and now it's a "disaster" because an unused feature was openly and clearly removed. Give me a break. This sort of "take a shit on everything" attitude is one of the worst facets of HN, and your comments in particular exemplify them. Don't upgrade. Move on.
- cwyers 11y ago
  Or upgrade and download VLC.
  - Someone1234 11y ago
    VLC, in my experience, plays 90%+ of DVDs perfectly (actually better, since now everything is skippable and you get significantly more rendering options than any other player). The few DVDs which malfunction are typically published by Disney in the last few years and contain DRM specifically designed to break unlicensed players. VLC have been very active in fixing these issues, and have in many cases. But if people plan on using VLC just be aware that the rare DVD won't work well or at all. Still the best DVD playing software I've used, including paid software.
- acqq 11y ago
  Says the account created 4 days ago in his 4th comment on the site. Hello Microsoft puppet? It's still a disaster for me because of what was once called Metro. It's my own opinion, you can like it, no problem.
  - brianwawok 11y ago
    Something is a disaster because you don't like it?
  - Sumaso 11y ago
    Your crazy man. Don't upgrade to 10 and keep your old functionality. inversionOf is making some valid points here, there is no need to attack him.
    - cryowaffle 11y ago
      Really though, he does seem like a marketing puppet... I have to say the title of this posting is pretty suspect when combined with the account creation date. Edit: Ohh, green means new it doesn't mean poster. Well, who cares.

ironoxide859 11y ago

As a user I have issues with Windows removing a built-in DVD player. I'm one of those dinosaurs who still watches his DVDs from his laptop. It was news to me and I appreciate that it was at the top.

t0mbstone 11y ago
But that's just the thing. They didn't remove it. I have literally never been able to play DVDs in Windows without installing third party codecs or programs.
- acqq 11y ago
  All the DVDs I've bought which were marked as protected I've played on more legally bought Windows 7 and 8 computers without the 3rd party programs.
- ironoxide859 11y ago
  I've never had an issue playing on Windows 7 Media Player out of the box (I skipped 8 and 8.1 chaos).

anoncow 11y ago

"Windows 8 with Media Center" did contain DVD playing capability.

LMAlVvQjSGj 11y ago
The Media Center addition was given to early adopters of Windows 8 for free.