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> How can a government have jurisdiction over this? Or more broadly, how can a government have jurisdiction over anything, or anyone? The answer is fundamental

> How can a government have jurisdiction over this? Or more broadly, how can a government have jurisdiction over anything, or anyone? The answer is fundamentally: by force. For example, if I point a gun at you, I've just established the same kind of "jurisdiction" over your wallet. Because otherwise you'd just refrain from giving it to me. But isn't it great that a "privacy watchdog" is limiting the privacy invasions Facebook can inflict on us, while surveilling us themselves, and funding their operations with money that's forcefully taken from us? It's like, heart-warming! (They've established "jurisdiction" over our incomes!)

jon-wood 11y ago
You talk like these organisations are one coherent whole having meetings to plot how to best exploit German citizens. It's entirely possible, and probably desirable, to have a government containing on group trying to protect citizen's privacy while another has reasons not to - where those roles overlap you should at least in theory have debate within government as to who takes precedence. In this non-ideal world that may not happen, but its better than not even making that possible.
- sillygeese 11y ago
  Do you think that's a satisfactory situation though? Suppose that there actually is a group within the government that's genuinely trying to protect us. Even so, the organization they'd be protecting us from is the exact same one they're part of. How does that make sense? It's like there's a pack of wolves next to a herd of sheep, and one of the wolves is like: "Guys? Guyyys? Can we just not eat them please?" In reality, governments are hell-bent on monitoring everything we do, because that's a great way to cement their power over us. Dictators don't arrange elections, and the most productive slave is one who thinks he's free. That's a large part of why the whole world isn't under complete tyranny right now. Try protesting anything any government does though, and the response will be tear gas and batons. That shows exactly how many fucks they give about our well-being or wishes. (Recent examples: Hong Kong, Brazil, Venezuela etc)
Oletros 11y ago
> and funding their operations with money that's forcefully taken from us? Aren't this claims funny?
- sillygeese 11y ago
  Not really. We all know what happens if we don't pay taxes. Very few see taxation for the extortion it is.
  - Oletros 11y ago
    Perhaps few see it as extortion because it is not extortion.
    - sillygeese 11y ago
      Perhaps you're a troll, or just retarded.
      - Oletros 11y ago
        Then it is clear that the insulting troll is you, not me. It is not my fault hat almost all the people doesn't agree with your libertarian fantasies.
- dylanjermiah 11y ago
  Irrespective of what the desired use of stolen property is, it is stolen.
  - Oletros 11y ago
    What the heck is stolen? Ad I said, your libertarian claims are very funny. Out of reality, but funny.
    - dylanjermiah 11y ago
      Dependant on where you live, 15-50% of the money one makes.

jon-wood 11y ago

You talk like these organisations are one coherent whole having meetings to plot how to best exploit German citizens. It's entirely possible, and probably desirable, to have a government containing on group trying to protect citizen's privacy while another has reasons not to - where those roles overlap you should at least in theory have debate within government as to who takes precedence. In this non-ideal world that may not happen, but its better than not even making that possible.

sillygeese 11y ago
Do you think that's a satisfactory situation though? Suppose that there actually is a group within the government that's genuinely trying to protect us. Even so, the organization they'd be protecting us from is the exact same one they're part of. How does that make sense? It's like there's a pack of wolves next to a herd of sheep, and one of the wolves is like: "Guys? Guyyys? Can we just not eat them please?" In reality, governments are hell-bent on monitoring everything we do, because that's a great way to cement their power over us. Dictators don't arrange elections, and the most productive slave is one who thinks he's free. That's a large part of why the whole world isn't under complete tyranny right now. Try protesting anything any government does though, and the response will be tear gas and batons. That shows exactly how many fucks they give about our well-being or wishes. (Recent examples: Hong Kong, Brazil, Venezuela etc)

Oletros 11y ago

> and funding their operations with money that's forcefully taken from us? Aren't this claims funny?

sillygeese 11y ago
Not really. We all know what happens if we don't pay taxes. Very few see taxation for the extortion it is.
- Oletros 11y ago
  Perhaps few see it as extortion because it is not extortion.
  - sillygeese 11y ago
    Perhaps you're a troll, or just retarded.
    - Oletros 11y ago
      Then it is clear that the insulting troll is you, not me. It is not my fault hat almost all the people doesn't agree with your libertarian fantasies.
dylanjermiah 11y ago
Irrespective of what the desired use of stolen property is, it is stolen.
- Oletros 11y ago
  What the heck is stolen? Ad I said, your libertarian claims are very funny. Out of reality, but funny.
  - dylanjermiah 11y ago
    Dependant on where you live, 15-50% of the money one makes.