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Default syncing with MS services is really bad for privacy. Unfortunately we are living in opt-out world now.

by systemz 11y ago

kardos 11y ago
> Unfortunately we are living in opt-out world now. This is a hyperbolic statement. Here's a fixed version: "Microsoft has created an opt-out privacy-hostile software ecosystem" The world is not Microsoft. You're free to use alternatives.
- amirmc 11y ago
  Network effects mean that there are few pragmatic options left. The GP may well be free to use alternatives but at what cost? Should they be selecting future employers based on the employer's choice of software? I may well be free to go live in a (digital) cave but presenting it as a viable choice merely exacerbates the existing problem.
  - icebraining 11y ago
    If you're on your employer's computer, you already didn't have privacy, so nothing's changed in that regard.
    - amirmc 11y ago
      True, but there's a difference between 1. your employer having a bunch of information about you and 2. your employer signing up to a ToS with third parties that effectively hands over all your info to them. Point 2 is probably not unusual but were starting to see (imho) more pernicious attitudes. Examples include the current Windows discussion, where your employer may be perfectly happy to sign (on the employees behalf) that your data be sent off to Microsoft (and used for whatever Microsoft deems 'necessary'). There was also the announcement of Facebook at Work, which I'm sure would be more than happy to cross-correlate the 'work' you with the 'personal' you, in order to 'provide a better service'. In both these scenarios, I'm sure the company will act to protect itself from exposure, but it's unclear what choices the employees really have.
- muraiki 11y ago
  I downvoted you because I think this is an uncharitable reading of the parent comment. Furthermore, one could argue that Microsoft alone is not responsible for the creation of an opt-out privacy-hostile software ecosystem, so perhaps your statement is also hyperbolic.

Default syncing with MS services is really bad for privacy. Unfortunately we are living in opt-out world now.

by systemz 11y ago

Default syncing with MS services is really bad for privacy. Unfortunately we are living in opt-out world now.

> Unfortunately we are living in opt-out world now. This is a hyperbolic statement. Here's a fixed version: "Microsoft has created an opt-out privacy-hostile software ecosystem" The world is not Microsoft. You're free to use alternatives.

amirmc 11y ago
Network effects mean that there are few pragmatic options left. The GP may well be free to use alternatives but at what cost? Should they be selecting future employers based on the employer's choice of software? I may well be free to go live in a (digital) cave but presenting it as a viable choice merely exacerbates the existing problem.
- icebraining 11y ago
  If you're on your employer's computer, you already didn't have privacy, so nothing's changed in that regard.
  - amirmc 11y ago
    True, but there's a difference between 1. your employer having a bunch of information about you and 2. your employer signing up to a ToS with third parties that effectively hands over all your info to them. Point 2 is probably not unusual but were starting to see (imho) more pernicious attitudes. Examples include the current Windows discussion, where your employer may be perfectly happy to sign (on the employees behalf) that your data be sent off to Microsoft (and used for whatever Microsoft deems 'necessary'). There was also the announcement of Facebook at Work, which I'm sure would be more than happy to cross-correlate the 'work' you with the 'personal' you, in order to 'provide a better service'. In both these scenarios, I'm sure the company will act to protect itself from exposure, but it's unclear what choices the employees really have.
muraiki 11y ago
I downvoted you because I think this is an uncharitable reading of the parent comment. Furthermore, one could argue that Microsoft alone is not responsible for the creation of an opt-out privacy-hostile software ecosystem, so perhaps your statement is also hyperbolic.