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That is actually illegal in Finland because it's illegal to circumvent the copy protection. Technically you need a licensed player. A few people have turned the

That is actually illegal in Finland because it's illegal to circumvent the copy protection. Technically you need a licensed player. A few people have turned themselves in for watching a DVD on Linux and they received a token fine.

shocks 11y ago
How much is the fine?
- noinsight 11y ago
  It's hard to find working links for old stuff (this was in ~2007), but... The law made "organized discussion" about breaking copy protection illegal so they also created a website with the title "organized discussion" and displayed code for breaking the protection and someone also paid 5 cents for it after which they turned themselves in :) Apparently the lower courts acquitted them but that was reversed and the supreme court didn't take the case. So the end result is that it's illegal but they didn't receive any penalties. Apparently the European court of human rights didn't accept the case either. http://mjr.iki.fi/eucd/ http://mjr.iki.fi/eucd/ (discussed here in Finnish) http://www.digitoday.fi/yhteiskunta/2008/05/26/dvdn-katselu-linux-koneessa-muuttui-rikolliseksi/200814212/66 http://www.digitoday.fi/yhteiskunta/2008/05/26/dvdn-katselu-... (news article about it)
  - shocks 11y ago
    Heh, nice. Thanks!
airza 11y ago
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to circumvent the copy protection in the US, as well.
- germanier 11y ago
  I'm no expert in US law but this US copyright office decision suggests that it's legal in some cases: http://www.copyright.gov/1201/ http://www.copyright.gov/1201/ The case here seems more related to the MPEG patents though.
  - airza 11y ago
    My brain went to DeCSS, which, weirdly, the DVD licensing company lost because enough people had (illegally?) published it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Copy_Control_Ass%27n,_Inc._v._Bunner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Copy_Control_Ass%27n,_Inc.... I think there was also the Sony jailbreaking guy who settled with Sony out of court.
germanier 11y ago
I'm pretty sure it isn't (anymore) in all cases or it would run afoul EU Directive 2001/29 (see also the ECJ Nintendo case of 2014).
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jbk 11y ago
> That is actually illegal in Finland because it's illegal to circumvent the copy protection. How do you not circumvent the copy protection to read a DVD? (See my various talks about libdvdcss)
- theandrewbailey 11y ago
  It's probably not circumvention if you're using a licensed reader/player.

shocks 11y ago

How much is the fine?

noinsight 11y ago
It's hard to find working links for old stuff (this was in ~2007), but... The law made "organized discussion" about breaking copy protection illegal so they also created a website with the title "organized discussion" and displayed code for breaking the protection and someone also paid 5 cents for it after which they turned themselves in :) Apparently the lower courts acquitted them but that was reversed and the supreme court didn't take the case. So the end result is that it's illegal but they didn't receive any penalties. Apparently the European court of human rights didn't accept the case either. http://mjr.iki.fi/eucd/ http://mjr.iki.fi/eucd/ (discussed here in Finnish) http://www.digitoday.fi/yhteiskunta/2008/05/26/dvdn-katselu-linux-koneessa-muuttui-rikolliseksi/200814212/66 http://www.digitoday.fi/yhteiskunta/2008/05/26/dvdn-katselu-... (news article about it)
- shocks 11y ago
  Heh, nice. Thanks!

airza 11y ago

I'm pretty sure it's illegal to circumvent the copy protection in the US, as well.

germanier 11y ago
I'm no expert in US law but this US copyright office decision suggests that it's legal in some cases: http://www.copyright.gov/1201/ http://www.copyright.gov/1201/ The case here seems more related to the MPEG patents though.
- airza 11y ago
  My brain went to DeCSS, which, weirdly, the DVD licensing company lost because enough people had (illegally?) published it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Copy_Control_Ass%27n,_Inc._v._Bunner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_Copy_Control_Ass%27n,_Inc.... I think there was also the Sony jailbreaking guy who settled with Sony out of court.

germanier 11y ago

I'm pretty sure it isn't (anymore) in all cases or it would run afoul EU Directive 2001/29 (see also the ECJ Nintendo case of 2014).

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jbk 11y ago

> That is actually illegal in Finland because it's illegal to circumvent the copy protection. How do you not circumvent the copy protection to read a DVD? (See my various talks about libdvdcss)

theandrewbailey 11y ago
It's probably not circumvention if you're using a licensed reader/player.