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Can you not use VLC or MPC?

acqq 11y ago
It's not about what "can" be done, you can also install the pirated software too, the thing is, by buying legally Windows 7 or Windows 8 Media Pack or Ultimate I have really paid the DVD playback functionality to Microsoft as well as the other features I've mentioned. Also read about the legality aspects of the Microsoft's DVD solutions up to now and of the open-source DVD players: http://www.zdnet.com/article/if-vlc-can-ship-a-free-dvd-player-why-cant-microsoft/ http://www.zdnet.com/article/if-vlc-can-ship-a-free-dvd-play...
- sergiotapia 11y ago
  I don't get it... are you complaining that you were revoked a license to a software that came bundled with windows?
  - acqq 11y ago
    http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-media-center-gets-laid-rest-wont-appear-windows-10 http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-media-center-gets-laid... "Microsoft confirmed to ZDNet that Windows Media Center is indeed finished, and users who upgrade to Windows 10 will no longer see it." http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-will-include-option-play-dvd-movies-sometime-future http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-will-include-option... "In a statement on his Twitter account, Windows Insider leader Gabriel Aul provided this tidbit of news: "The main scenario people used WMC for was to play DVD. We'll provide another option for DVD playback in the future." Exactly what this option will be, and if it might be free or if it will cost Windows 10 users extra, has yet to be announced."
  - waterlesscloud 11y ago
    Why wouldn't someone complain about a reduction in functionality in software they paid for? Do you somehow feel that's out of line?
    - acqq 11y ago
      It's not only that Microsoft removes the features, they also don't tell you clearly they'll remove them but they put almost "malware-like" request on your system for which you already paid to them to "just upgrade it's safe."
      - Someone1234 11y ago
        > they also don't tell you clearly they'll remove them Yes they do. The upgrade assistant warns you during the upgrade process[0] and specifically has you confirm it. [0] https://i.imgur.com/ekSbGOL.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ekSbGOL.jpg
  - kamjam 11y ago
    In the EU, Microsoft sells the N edition [http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows7/products/what-is-windows-7-n-edition http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows7/products/what-is...], Windows sans Media Player. Thus, if you have selected the normal version, you are actually paying for Media and DVD playing capabilities.
    - Lorkki 11y ago
      The pricing is exactly the same, nor was the rationale ever to provide an edition for people who don't need a DVD player. You can still download and install those components freely after installing the OS.
      - kamjam 11y ago
        The rationale for it was an anti-competition lawsuit brought by the EU. The pricing may be the same, you may even be able to download the components, but the difference exists and there is choice to select something without. They may have been forced to do it, but you are paying for a product WITH media player, same price or not.
- louhike 11y ago
  Yes but you do not have to upgrade to Windows 10 and they made it pretty clear they removed these softwares (it warned me when they proposed the update). This is unfortunate but I don't think Microsoft has been evil here.
  - acqq 11y ago
    Where is the warning being displayed? As far as I've seen you can click through the dialogs without seeing it.
  - foiboitoi 11y ago
    "you do not have to upgrade to Windows 10" Everyone has to stop using that as an excuse. It doesn't even make sense & it's myopic. Obsolescence is built into Windows. If you want to continue being safe using Windows you NEED to upgrade. You can choose not to upgrade, but it's at your detriment. It's a choice until it's not.
    - LocalPCGuy 11y ago
      Sure it is a choice. You absolutely need the DVD player...don't upgrade now. Maybe by the time you need it, the functionality will be restored. Regardless, it is a choice you can make. Don't be entitled.
      - foiboitoi 11y ago
        "Don't be entitled." entitled -- to give (a person or thing) a title, right, or claim to something I spent my money, I can be entitled. Besides this isn't just about libdvdcss. There are many withdrawn features and anti-features included.
        Someone1234 11y ago
        > I spent my money, I can be entitled. No, you didn't. You spend $0 on Windows 10. You spent money on Windows 7 and you can continue to use that without restriction. You absolutely are acting entitled for something which is free.
- s73v3r 11y ago
  And according to everyone else, if you paid for it as part of either of those, it's still fucking there.
shocks 11y ago
You can use VLC. After your comment, I wasn't sure why that was the case. Apparently: > Neither French law nor European conventions recognize software as patentable (see French section below). Therefore, software patents licenses do not apply on VideoLAN software. From http://www.videolan.org/legal.html http://www.videolan.org/legal.html
- acqq 11y ago
  But see also this (on the same page) if you're using VLC in the US: "libdvdcss libdvdcss is a library that can find and guess keys from a DVD in order to decrypt it. This method is authorized by a French law decision CE 10e et 9e soussect., 16 juillet 2008, n° 301843 on interoperability. NB: In the USA, you should check out the US Copyright Office decision that allows circumvention in some cases."
  - shocks 11y ago
    Ah interesting! I missed that.
- noinsight 11y ago
  That is actually illegal in Finland because it's illegal to circumvent the copy protection. Technically you need a licensed player. A few people have turned themselves in for watching a DVD on Linux and they received a token fine.
  - shocks 11y ago
    How much is the fine?
    - noinsight 11y ago
      It's hard to find working links for old stuff (this was in ~2007), but... The law made "organized discussion" about breaking copy protection illegal so they also created a website with the title "organized discussion" and displayed code for breaking the protection and someone also paid 5 cents for it after which they turned themselves in :) Apparently the lower courts acquitted them but that was reversed and the supreme court didn't take the case. So the end result is that it's illegal but they didn't receive any penalties. Apparently the European court of human rights didn't accept the case either. http://mjr.iki.fi/eucd/ http://mjr.iki.fi/eucd/ (discussed here in Finnish) http://www.digitoday.fi/yhteiskunta/2008/05/26/dvdn-katselu-linux-koneessa-muuttui-rikolliseksi/200814212/66 http://www.digitoday.fi/yhteiskunta/2008/05/26/dvdn-katselu-... (news article about it)

acqq 11y ago

It's not about what "can" be done, you can also install the pirated software too, the thing is, by buying legally Windows 7 or Windows 8 Media Pack or Ultimate I have really paid the DVD playback functionality to Microsoft as well as the other features I've mentioned. Also read about the legality aspects of the Microsoft's DVD solutions up to now and of the open-source DVD players: http://www.zdnet.com/article/if-vlc-can-ship-a-free-dvd-player-why-cant-microsoft/ http://www.zdnet.com/article/if-vlc-can-ship-a-free-dvd-play...

sergiotapia 11y ago
I don't get it... are you complaining that you were revoked a license to a software that came bundled with windows?
- acqq 11y ago
  http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-media-center-gets-laid-rest-wont-appear-windows-10 http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-media-center-gets-laid... "Microsoft confirmed to ZDNet that Windows Media Center is indeed finished, and users who upgrade to Windows 10 will no longer see it." http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-will-include-option-play-dvd-movies-sometime-future http://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-will-include-option... "In a statement on his Twitter account, Windows Insider leader Gabriel Aul provided this tidbit of news: "The main scenario people used WMC for was to play DVD. We'll provide another option for DVD playback in the future." Exactly what this option will be, and if it might be free or if it will cost Windows 10 users extra, has yet to be announced."
- waterlesscloud 11y ago
  Why wouldn't someone complain about a reduction in functionality in software they paid for? Do you somehow feel that's out of line?
  - acqq 11y ago
    It's not only that Microsoft removes the features, they also don't tell you clearly they'll remove them but they put almost "malware-like" request on your system for which you already paid to them to "just upgrade it's safe."
    - Someone1234 11y ago
      > they also don't tell you clearly they'll remove them Yes they do. The upgrade assistant warns you during the upgrade process[0] and specifically has you confirm it. [0] https://i.imgur.com/ekSbGOL.jpg https://i.imgur.com/ekSbGOL.jpg
- kamjam 11y ago
  In the EU, Microsoft sells the N edition [http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows7/products/what-is-windows-7-n-edition http://windows.microsoft.com/en-gb/windows7/products/what-is...], Windows sans Media Player. Thus, if you have selected the normal version, you are actually paying for Media and DVD playing capabilities.
  - Lorkki 11y ago
    The pricing is exactly the same, nor was the rationale ever to provide an edition for people who don't need a DVD player. You can still download and install those components freely after installing the OS.
    - kamjam 11y ago
      The rationale for it was an anti-competition lawsuit brought by the EU. The pricing may be the same, you may even be able to download the components, but the difference exists and there is choice to select something without. They may have been forced to do it, but you are paying for a product WITH media player, same price or not.
louhike 11y ago
Yes but you do not have to upgrade to Windows 10 and they made it pretty clear they removed these softwares (it warned me when they proposed the update). This is unfortunate but I don't think Microsoft has been evil here.
- acqq 11y ago
  Where is the warning being displayed? As far as I've seen you can click through the dialogs without seeing it.
- foiboitoi 11y ago
  "you do not have to upgrade to Windows 10" Everyone has to stop using that as an excuse. It doesn't even make sense & it's myopic. Obsolescence is built into Windows. If you want to continue being safe using Windows you NEED to upgrade. You can choose not to upgrade, but it's at your detriment. It's a choice until it's not.
  - LocalPCGuy 11y ago
    Sure it is a choice. You absolutely need the DVD player...don't upgrade now. Maybe by the time you need it, the functionality will be restored. Regardless, it is a choice you can make. Don't be entitled.
    - foiboitoi 11y ago
      "Don't be entitled." entitled -- to give (a person or thing) a title, right, or claim to something I spent my money, I can be entitled. Besides this isn't just about libdvdcss. There are many withdrawn features and anti-features included.
      - Someone1234 11y ago
        > I spent my money, I can be entitled. No, you didn't. You spend $0 on Windows 10. You spent money on Windows 7 and you can continue to use that without restriction. You absolutely are acting entitled for something which is free.
s73v3r 11y ago
And according to everyone else, if you paid for it as part of either of those, it's still fucking there.

shocks 11y ago

You can use VLC. After your comment, I wasn't sure why that was the case. Apparently: > Neither French law nor European conventions recognize software as patentable (see French section below). Therefore, software patents licenses do not apply on VideoLAN software. From http://www.videolan.org/legal.html http://www.videolan.org/legal.html

acqq 11y ago
But see also this (on the same page) if you're using VLC in the US: "libdvdcss libdvdcss is a library that can find and guess keys from a DVD in order to decrypt it. This method is authorized by a French law decision CE 10e et 9e soussect., 16 juillet 2008, n° 301843 on interoperability. NB: In the USA, you should check out the US Copyright Office decision that allows circumvention in some cases."
- shocks 11y ago
  Ah interesting! I missed that.
noinsight 11y ago
That is actually illegal in Finland because it's illegal to circumvent the copy protection. Technically you need a licensed player. A few people have turned themselves in for watching a DVD on Linux and they received a token fine.
- shocks 11y ago
  How much is the fine?
  - noinsight 11y ago
    It's hard to find working links for old stuff (this was in ~2007), but... The law made "organized discussion" about breaking copy protection illegal so they also created a website with the title "organized discussion" and displayed code for breaking the protection and someone also paid 5 cents for it after which they turned themselves in :) Apparently the lower courts acquitted them but that was reversed and the supreme court didn't take the case. So the end result is that it's illegal but they didn't receive any penalties. Apparently the European court of human rights didn't accept the case either. http://mjr.iki.fi/eucd/ http://mjr.iki.fi/eucd/ (discussed here in Finnish) http://www.digitoday.fi/yhteiskunta/2008/05/26/dvdn-katselu-linux-koneessa-muuttui-rikolliseksi/200814212/66 http://www.digitoday.fi/yhteiskunta/2008/05/26/dvdn-katselu-... (news article about it)