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Or someone asking you to take your shoes off in their private home. It's so ridiculous. You should have a right to be rude in people's private spaces. Good job

Or someone asking you to take your shoes off in their private home. It's so ridiculous. You should have a right to be rude in people's private spaces. Good job avoiding the argument altogether for this particularly uninteresting non-sequitur. You don't trust your livelihood to being able to take your shoes off at a friend's house.

Retra 11y ago
I don't trust my livelihood to the need to say offensive things, either. Regardless, I'm going to excuse myself from this conversation. What I've done is present an analogy to you (no more of an "uninteresting non-sequitur" than your talk about cucumber eating) and apparently it fell on unwilling ears. And typically, when one's brain stops understanding analogies, that's a pretty good sign it isn't working at all. So get some rest and think about it when you're in better condition.
- PopeOfNope 11y ago
  I don't trust my livelihood to the need to say offensive things, either. You're trusting your livelihood to the idea that other people won't willfully misinterpret innocent phrasing on your part for their 2 minutes outrage. And typically, when one's brain stops understanding analogies, that's a pretty good sign it isn't working at all. So get some rest and think about it when you're in better condition. Aww, your argument is crap therefore there must be something wrong with me. The laziest of intellectual assumptions: he disagrees, therefore he's incapable of understanding. I understand your argument well, you don't understand my argument at all and there's something wrong with me?
  - Retra 11y ago
    We both understand each other's argument. There's something more interesting going on underneath the surface arguments; values and priorities. You are taking what I say in rhetoric, interpreting it literally, and throwing it back in my face. That is dishonest and hypocritical at best. The reason there is something wrong with you is because you have no intention of solving any problems here, you are attempting to beat me into the ground with your intellect. Your priority here is winning the argument. Well, you've won. Congratulations. You're the smart one who knows best. I was wrong about everything, and I'm a dull moron with nothing interesting to say. I'm not worthy of your respect, patience, or generosity. Now interpret that as sarcasm, throw it in my face, and get the last word in; your feelings are more important than anything I have to say.
    - PopeOfNope 11y ago
      Oh dear, it seems I've touched a nerve. You still haven't demonstrated you understand me or my position at all. This is amusing. I have a checklist of typical strategies employed by the intellectually dishonest and you're hitting one after the other. You're up to 'projection' on my list. You are taking what I say in rhetoric, interpreting it literally, and throwing it back in my face. That's because I'm arguing facts (dialectic) and you're arguing emotion (rhetoric), the exact thing you accuse me of doing. Hmm. Isn't that interesting. Your priority here is winning the argument. If that was true, I wouldn't still be typing. I'm not trying to convince you or win an argument. I'm trying to convince anyone who might be reading but not participating. That and I'm curious how many more items I'll get to check off my list. I'm a programmer. I love systems and patterns, even psychological ones. Well, you've won. ... Now interpret that as sarcasm, throw it in my face, and get the last word in; your feelings are more important than anything I have to say. You start arguing the facts again and I'll stop mocking you. It's pretty simple. But based on my previous interactions with the intellectually dishonest, you're either going to run away now or posture as if you've already won the argument or fall back on the "don't hit me, i'm a girl[0]" defense. If you're extremely talented, all three at the same time. [0]: not literally a girl, but somebody generally weaker than me who needs protecting.

Retra 11y ago

I don't trust my livelihood to the need to say offensive things, either. Regardless, I'm going to excuse myself from this conversation. What I've done is present an analogy to you (no more of an "uninteresting non-sequitur" than your talk about cucumber eating) and apparently it fell on unwilling ears. And typically, when one's brain stops understanding analogies, that's a pretty good sign it isn't working at all. So get some rest and think about it when you're in better condition.

PopeOfNope 11y ago
I don't trust my livelihood to the need to say offensive things, either. You're trusting your livelihood to the idea that other people won't willfully misinterpret innocent phrasing on your part for their 2 minutes outrage. And typically, when one's brain stops understanding analogies, that's a pretty good sign it isn't working at all. So get some rest and think about it when you're in better condition. Aww, your argument is crap therefore there must be something wrong with me. The laziest of intellectual assumptions: he disagrees, therefore he's incapable of understanding. I understand your argument well, you don't understand my argument at all and there's something wrong with me?
- Retra 11y ago
  We both understand each other's argument. There's something more interesting going on underneath the surface arguments; values and priorities. You are taking what I say in rhetoric, interpreting it literally, and throwing it back in my face. That is dishonest and hypocritical at best. The reason there is something wrong with you is because you have no intention of solving any problems here, you are attempting to beat me into the ground with your intellect. Your priority here is winning the argument. Well, you've won. Congratulations. You're the smart one who knows best. I was wrong about everything, and I'm a dull moron with nothing interesting to say. I'm not worthy of your respect, patience, or generosity. Now interpret that as sarcasm, throw it in my face, and get the last word in; your feelings are more important than anything I have to say.
  - PopeOfNope 11y ago
    Oh dear, it seems I've touched a nerve. You still haven't demonstrated you understand me or my position at all. This is amusing. I have a checklist of typical strategies employed by the intellectually dishonest and you're hitting one after the other. You're up to 'projection' on my list. You are taking what I say in rhetoric, interpreting it literally, and throwing it back in my face. That's because I'm arguing facts (dialectic) and you're arguing emotion (rhetoric), the exact thing you accuse me of doing. Hmm. Isn't that interesting. Your priority here is winning the argument. If that was true, I wouldn't still be typing. I'm not trying to convince you or win an argument. I'm trying to convince anyone who might be reading but not participating. That and I'm curious how many more items I'll get to check off my list. I'm a programmer. I love systems and patterns, even psychological ones. Well, you've won. ... Now interpret that as sarcasm, throw it in my face, and get the last word in; your feelings are more important than anything I have to say. You start arguing the facts again and I'll stop mocking you. It's pretty simple. But based on my previous interactions with the intellectually dishonest, you're either going to run away now or posture as if you've already won the argument or fall back on the "don't hit me, i'm a girl[0]" defense. If you're extremely talented, all three at the same time. [0]: not literally a girl, but somebody generally weaker than me who needs protecting.