>But I would like to point out that see-and-avoid doesn't really work in general, and particularly not in the case of two small aircraft with wildly different p

>But I would like to point out that see-and-avoid doesn't really work in general, and particularly not in the case of two small aircraft with wildly different performance characteristics. This^. I was right-seat in a King Air and heard Center call traffic for us at 1/4 mile, looked once, nothing, turned head in case I might have lost my bearing, looked again and there it was. I felt I could almost read the numbers and ID on the aircraft, that's an exaggeration, but it was close. If there hadn't also been some altitude separation, we could've been in a lot worse shape because we were under the other A/C's nose. Neither myself nor the pilot could see it before it was already very close, and it closed too fast for us to do much because we didn't have much energy (climbing spiral with skydivers on board).