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Cross post from TechCrunch: Justin.tv employee here. I want to clear up two things. First, we get more uploaded video than YouTube by about 30% (yes, I am ser

Cross post from TechCrunch: Justin.tv employee here. I want to clear up two things. First, we get more uploaded video than YouTube by about 30% (yes, I am serious) and monitoring all of it is not feasible. Over 150 copyright holders (ex. MLB, ESPN, etc) have access to a tool that lets them instantly remove videos. The request is filed as a DMCA take down notice and processed immediately. We do not take any delay for human processing, it's immediately removed. We could process normal email messages, as other companies do, and take down the videos several hours later. That offers a substandard solution for live content though, so we added this extra level of protection. Second, the live fingerprinting is a double trigger system. We send our scans to Vobile, who matches it against copyright holders who have allowed us to scan for their content. That is running with Fox and has been tested with the NFL/NBC. In the screenshot you posted, many, if not all of the rights holders for those broadcasts could choose to remove them instantly.

blhack 17y ago
Over 150 copyright holders (ex. MLB, ESPN, etc) have access to a tool that lets them instantly remove videos. It's really really sad to me that this sort of thing is necessary. What is to stop one of these people from abusing this power? I'm not angry with you guys, you have to do what you have to do to stay in business, I'm mad at the fact that we've gotten to this point at all.
- kd5bjo 17y ago
  They're legally obligated to take down only content that is infringing their rights. We'll respond to DMCA counter-notices also, though I don't know that we've ever received one. At that point, it's a matter for the courts to settle.
jonknee 17y ago
That's great, but when at any given time a very high percentage of the most popular content is obviously in violation it doesn't seem like you're very serious about it. You don't need to monitor everything, just monitor what's popular. A $6/hr intern could rid your site of pirated content, but you don't do that because it would also rid your site of viewers.
- kd5bjo 17y ago
  How do you suggest this intern should determine whether or not the broadcaster has the rights to the content they're broadcasting? There have certainly been companies that have decided to use Justin.tv legitimately without telling us first.
  - jonknee 17y ago
    Create a new level of user for legitimate media partners and require them to use it. If thefutureman11 is playing WWE Raw events it's a clear cut violation. (He is too, 500 people are watching.)
    - kd5bjo 17y ago
      Where's the line, though? Somebody owns the copyright to everything that's been created in the last 70 years, at least. Why should we treat some of it with more rigor than the rest? That's the whole point behind the DMCA safe harbor provisions; in a dispute between copyright holders and users of a service, there's a set of actions that keep the service provider out of harm's way. Deviating from that path in either direction may cause legal troubles for the service provider.
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- emmett 17y ago
  Teams of lawyers for every major copyright holder already have a tool that lets them take down any pirated content that they want. What makes you believe giving that same tool to a $6/hour intern would somehow magically fix the problem? The real solution is probably going to be the filtering we're adding. So far it's been very effective for Fox; we're working on getting other copyright holders signed up. "Justin.tv has taken a leadership position among live streaming sites by entering into an agreement with Fox to work together on copyright protection for live streaming content. Justin.tv, with consultation from Fox, is implementing an innovative and industry-leading filtering solution designed to prevent copyrighted content from appearing on Justin.tv without authorization." http://www.businessinsider.com/justintv-signs-deal-with-fox-gets-serious-about-copyright-problems-2009-8 http://www.businessinsider.com/justintv-signs-deal-with-fox-...

blhack 17y ago

Over 150 copyright holders (ex. MLB, ESPN, etc) have access to a tool that lets them instantly remove videos. It's really really sad to me that this sort of thing is necessary. What is to stop one of these people from abusing this power? I'm not angry with you guys, you have to do what you have to do to stay in business, I'm mad at the fact that we've gotten to this point at all.

kd5bjo 17y ago
They're legally obligated to take down only content that is infringing their rights. We'll respond to DMCA counter-notices also, though I don't know that we've ever received one. At that point, it's a matter for the courts to settle.

jonknee 17y ago

That's great, but when at any given time a very high percentage of the most popular content is obviously in violation it doesn't seem like you're very serious about it. You don't need to monitor everything, just monitor what's popular. A $6/hr intern could rid your site of pirated content, but you don't do that because it would also rid your site of viewers.

kd5bjo 17y ago
How do you suggest this intern should determine whether or not the broadcaster has the rights to the content they're broadcasting? There have certainly been companies that have decided to use Justin.tv legitimately without telling us first.
- jonknee 17y ago
  Create a new level of user for legitimate media partners and require them to use it. If thefutureman11 is playing WWE Raw events it's a clear cut violation. (He is too, 500 people are watching.)
  - kd5bjo 17y ago
    Where's the line, though? Somebody owns the copyright to everything that's been created in the last 70 years, at least. Why should we treat some of it with more rigor than the rest? That's the whole point behind the DMCA safe harbor provisions; in a dispute between copyright holders and users of a service, there's a set of actions that keep the service provider out of harm's way. Deviating from that path in either direction may cause legal troubles for the service provider.
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emmett 17y ago
Teams of lawyers for every major copyright holder already have a tool that lets them take down any pirated content that they want. What makes you believe giving that same tool to a $6/hour intern would somehow magically fix the problem? The real solution is probably going to be the filtering we're adding. So far it's been very effective for Fox; we're working on getting other copyright holders signed up. "Justin.tv has taken a leadership position among live streaming sites by entering into an agreement with Fox to work together on copyright protection for live streaming content. Justin.tv, with consultation from Fox, is implementing an innovative and industry-leading filtering solution designed to prevent copyrighted content from appearing on Justin.tv without authorization." http://www.businessinsider.com/justintv-signs-deal-with-fox-gets-serious-about-copyright-problems-2009-8 http://www.businessinsider.com/justintv-signs-deal-with-fox-...