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At $150/year, this sounds like a service for people are so bad at managing their money that they'll pay $150 for someone to meter out their paychecks.

baddox 11y ago
What's so bad about that? If you can recognize that your money management skills are such that this $150/year can result in a net improvement to your money management, it seems like a solid product.
- sanderjd 11y ago
  I think it's a buying fish versus learning-to-fish thing. There's nothing "wrong" with paying $150 a year for someone else to manage your money, but it would be better to invest in getting better at doing it yourself.
  - 9872 11y ago
    Would it really? How many people do you know who learn to fish compared to the number who buy fish when they want to eat some?
    - sanderjd 11y ago
      Yes. You're right about the fish analogy, but wrong about learning to manage one's own finances. I recognize that I shot myself in the foot by using such an imperfect analogy :)
      - 9872 11y ago
        No, the logic is the same. Specialization drive efficiency. Have the fishermen fish. You do what you're good at.
        sanderjd 11y ago
        Specialization is just one tool in the modern toolbox. It's a good one, but not a silver bullet. Whether it makes more sense to defer to a specialist or invest in bringing a skill "in-house" is a function of how expensive the specialist is, how much investment it takes to gain the skill, and the duration and frequency of that skill's usefulness. Being able to fish (or farm, etc.) to the degree that you can feed yourself has enormous upfront costs (a boat, farming equipment, education, etc.) relative to the cost of outsourcing it. Managing your personal finances is quite a cheap skill – it requires no specialized equipment, and only up-front self-education and ongoing self-control costs – relative to the cost of paying someone else to do it for you. I'm speaking in absolutes, but of course it varies person to person, and I don't mean to suggest that I think there's no place for this sort of service, only that I think it seems expensive relative to the effort required to gain what is an extremely valuable skill. I think we can agree to disagree!
  - baddox 11y ago
    How would you better invest $150 to improve your money management?
    - sanderjd 11y ago
      Well, it's $150 a year, whereas improving personal finance skills is a lifetime investment. But most of the investment (or all, if you check out a book from the library) is in time, which, as another commenter pointed out, the target market for this may not have, and habit-forming, which is hard to do. So I'll definitely allow this is a "better" solution, in the sense that it may be more likely to succeed for for more people, but I still believe that for individuals who can, building the capability to do it without for-pay external support would be better.
  - s73v3r 11y ago
    If you're the type of person this service is targeting, odds are you simply don't have the time to do that.
    - sanderjd 11y ago
      A very fair point!
run4yourlives2 11y ago
Pretty much. But that's a hell of a lot better than those people using payday loans.
- dragonwriter 11y ago
  Payday loans might be used for leveling variable pay, but the impression I've always gotten is that they are used more for addressing inconvenient expense timing for people that have neither reserves nor more conventional credit available; Even doesn't really help with that.
  - jschlossberg 11y ago
    70% of payday loans are used for predictable, recurring expenses.
    - jaskerr 11y ago
      Citation, please.
    - jschlossberg 11y ago
      http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/multimedia/data-visualizations/2012/payday-lending-in-america http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/multimedia/data-visualizations/2...
    - dragonwriter 11y ago
      > 70% of payday loans are used for predictable, recurring expenses. Even if that unsourced figure is correct, it doesn't really address the issue: if they aren't used to deal with "I was short because my pay was lower than normal this week", Even wouldn't help. That's its a predictable, recurring expense doesn't mean that its not a recurring pattern of timeshifting a mismatch between income and expense, rather than dealing with irregular income patterns. Even (at best) deals with irregular income patterns, but nothing else.
      - jschlossberg 11y ago

baddox 11y ago

What's so bad about that? If you can recognize that your money management skills are such that this $150/year can result in a net improvement to your money management, it seems like a solid product.

sanderjd 11y ago
I think it's a buying fish versus learning-to-fish thing. There's nothing "wrong" with paying $150 a year for someone else to manage your money, but it would be better to invest in getting better at doing it yourself.
- 9872 11y ago
  Would it really? How many people do you know who learn to fish compared to the number who buy fish when they want to eat some?
  - sanderjd 11y ago
    Yes. You're right about the fish analogy, but wrong about learning to manage one's own finances. I recognize that I shot myself in the foot by using such an imperfect analogy :)
    - 9872 11y ago
      No, the logic is the same. Specialization drive efficiency. Have the fishermen fish. You do what you're good at.
      - sanderjd 11y ago
        Specialization is just one tool in the modern toolbox. It's a good one, but not a silver bullet. Whether it makes more sense to defer to a specialist or invest in bringing a skill "in-house" is a function of how expensive the specialist is, how much investment it takes to gain the skill, and the duration and frequency of that skill's usefulness. Being able to fish (or farm, etc.) to the degree that you can feed yourself has enormous upfront costs (a boat, farming equipment, education, etc.) relative to the cost of outsourcing it. Managing your personal finances is quite a cheap skill – it requires no specialized equipment, and only up-front self-education and ongoing self-control costs – relative to the cost of paying someone else to do it for you. I'm speaking in absolutes, but of course it varies person to person, and I don't mean to suggest that I think there's no place for this sort of service, only that I think it seems expensive relative to the effort required to gain what is an extremely valuable skill. I think we can agree to disagree!
- baddox 11y ago
  How would you better invest $150 to improve your money management?
  - sanderjd 11y ago
    Well, it's $150 a year, whereas improving personal finance skills is a lifetime investment. But most of the investment (or all, if you check out a book from the library) is in time, which, as another commenter pointed out, the target market for this may not have, and habit-forming, which is hard to do. So I'll definitely allow this is a "better" solution, in the sense that it may be more likely to succeed for for more people, but I still believe that for individuals who can, building the capability to do it without for-pay external support would be better.
- s73v3r 11y ago
  If you're the type of person this service is targeting, odds are you simply don't have the time to do that.
  - sanderjd 11y ago
    A very fair point!

run4yourlives2 11y ago

Pretty much. But that's a hell of a lot better than those people using payday loans.

dragonwriter 11y ago
Payday loans might be used for leveling variable pay, but the impression I've always gotten is that they are used more for addressing inconvenient expense timing for people that have neither reserves nor more conventional credit available; Even doesn't really help with that.
- jschlossberg 11y ago
  70% of payday loans are used for predictable, recurring expenses.
  - jaskerr 11y ago
    Citation, please.
  - jschlossberg 11y ago
    http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/multimedia/data-visualizations/2012/payday-lending-in-america http://www.pewtrusts.org/en/multimedia/data-visualizations/2...
  - dragonwriter 11y ago
    > 70% of payday loans are used for predictable, recurring expenses. Even if that unsourced figure is correct, it doesn't really address the issue: if they aren't used to deal with "I was short because my pay was lower than normal this week", Even wouldn't help. That's its a predictable, recurring expense doesn't mean that its not a recurring pattern of timeshifting a mismatch between income and expense, rather than dealing with irregular income patterns. Even (at best) deals with irregular income patterns, but nothing else.
    - jschlossberg 11y ago